• PostingInPublic@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I think the most important topic right now is confronting the climate change and the problems it is going to cause, on every level local, regional, national and international. This looming crisis is going to affect everything and everyone on an existential level, and requires every of these government levels, even every individual, to fucking work and to fucking stand together.

    And now my compatriots elect AfD.

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      Climate change is literally on position 4 out of 5 for voters. People are absolute fucking morons and at this point I think we should just go extinct. This is ridiculous.

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        Humanity can go extinct. We deserve it. I feel bad for all the animals we kill along with us.

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          It’s difficult to extinct us. If will take a thousand years of volcanoes, bad harvests, pandemics without vaccines, etc.

          We’re just so many now.

          What’s a lot faster is to wipe away the achievements of civilization, pushing us back into a state where starvation, disease and suffering are the norm and not the exception.

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        If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.

        Edit: I know, that climate change will only worsen your financial situation, but a lot of people don’t see the long term effects on them and the economy.

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          Part of the reason why you can’t afford your bills is climate change and it’s going to get worse, doesn’t prevent people from taking their car to drive 500m to drop their kids to school!

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          Well, the conservatives will sure help the little man to have more money in their pockets. (PSA: they won’t)

          Also, if the land you live on is flooded or dries out, you can’t live there anymore. That’s the far greater threat to peoples’ existence. They just think they’ll be among the lucky survivors and only some nasty brown people will die.

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            It seems anti-immigration is driving all these right wing votes. And xenophobia manifests from the naïve idea that immigrants will somehow reduce incomes.

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          What is the priority then? I guess the sensible option would be to tax the rich more, and fight for a better distribution of wealth, right?

          But that is not at all what the blue and right parties are standing for, quite the contrary.

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            The human is primed for tribalism and these parties are exploiting that bug to offer the always-attractive solution of “this group of people is to blame”. This time, it’s Muslims and generally immigrants.

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          Because I’m sure your house getting swept away in the third flood to break records that month is REALLY gonna help your bills!

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          If you can’t afford your bills you don’t care about climate change.

          Well, then you should even more care about climate change. Like I said, morons. But we all know that the rise of the far right isn’t because of people’s bills.

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      Yes but have you considered that brown people are to blame for all these things? And that they are also fictional lies by The Left ™ to scare you away from the horrible brown people?

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        Also, it’s clearly way more important that we let Chinese Intelligence Operations in broad daylight tell our youths to vote for nazis to destabilize the regions rather than peacefully coexist and solve our problems. After all, how else will we get communism if not that? /s

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          The whole “Fascism is coming from china!” thing is a conspiracy theory though, isn’t it? Private media in the west are owned by western private media, not by Chinese psyops, and the funding that right wing influencers get in social media isn’t from China either. The problem doesn’t come from outside, it’s literally inside.

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            China benefits from destabilizing the west (and India). Their online campaigns on various social media networks tend to promote misinformation, which correlates highly with conservative and far-right ideologies. TikTok in particular served as a pipeline into far right radicalization.

            I’m not denying there is a problem within, and I’m not claiming China only pushes far right, but to claim that Chinese operations aren’t noticeably impacting western politics in the most negative ways possible is just pure ignorance.

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              TikTok is originally Chinese, but most other social media is from the US. Would you argue that the rise of far-right content in YouTube, Facebook or Instagram is also a consequence of the Chinese government?

              China’s policy hasn’t been to destabilize Europe, it’s been to get closer commercially, for example with the Belt and Road initiative. Unless you bring further evidence than “TikTok is Chinese” (with it being the only Chinese social media we use), or “China benefits from it”, it’s nothing but speculation, which is absolutely unnecessary since the very far-right content creators from Europe and the US are from those countries and also funded by western organizations such as the Atlas Foundation.

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                I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG, but we know they’re 100% present. In fact, some time ago, CCP propaganda was flooding YT Shorts with machine generated content. We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                Yes, these sorts of operations are pretty commonly carried out by all of the world powers, but that’s the highest form of whataboutism. It’s a problem now that negatively affects us, it’s not hypocritical to want to solve the problem. And China is #1 most problematic, in part because it’s a top world power and a dictatorship and also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                China has been closing off it’s commercial sector, recently. It plans to import less to allow their local corporations to dominate markets.

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                  I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG

                  We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

                  And China is #1 most problematic, […] also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

                  Thank you for proving exactly my point that you’re talking out of your ass, and you’re capable of contradicting yourself in one comment

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                    Looks like you’ve got no counter-arguments for me, I accept your loss.