• @FiniteBanjo
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    Also, it’s clearly way more important that we let Chinese Intelligence Operations in broad daylight tell our youths to vote for nazis to destabilize the regions rather than peacefully coexist and solve our problems. After all, how else will we get communism if not that? /s

    • @volodya_ilich@lemm.ee
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      The whole “Fascism is coming from china!” thing is a conspiracy theory though, isn’t it? Private media in the west are owned by western private media, not by Chinese psyops, and the funding that right wing influencers get in social media isn’t from China either. The problem doesn’t come from outside, it’s literally inside.

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        China benefits from destabilizing the west (and India). Their online campaigns on various social media networks tend to promote misinformation, which correlates highly with conservative and far-right ideologies. TikTok in particular served as a pipeline into far right radicalization.

        I’m not denying there is a problem within, and I’m not claiming China only pushes far right, but to claim that Chinese operations aren’t noticeably impacting western politics in the most negative ways possible is just pure ignorance.

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          01 month ago

          TikTok is originally Chinese, but most other social media is from the US. Would you argue that the rise of far-right content in YouTube, Facebook or Instagram is also a consequence of the Chinese government?

          China’s policy hasn’t been to destabilize Europe, it’s been to get closer commercially, for example with the Belt and Road initiative. Unless you bring further evidence than “TikTok is Chinese” (with it being the only Chinese social media we use), or “China benefits from it”, it’s nothing but speculation, which is absolutely unnecessary since the very far-right content creators from Europe and the US are from those countries and also funded by western organizations such as the Atlas Foundation.

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            I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG, but we know they’re 100% present. In fact, some time ago, CCP propaganda was flooding YT Shorts with machine generated content. We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

            Yes, these sorts of operations are pretty commonly carried out by all of the world powers, but that’s the highest form of whataboutism. It’s a problem now that negatively affects us, it’s not hypocritical to want to solve the problem. And China is #1 most problematic, in part because it’s a top world power and a dictatorship and also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

            China has been closing off it’s commercial sector, recently. It plans to import less to allow their local corporations to dominate markets.

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              I can’t say exactly the scope of Chinese influence on YT or FB/IG

              We also know that FB have in the past been used for largescale campaigns to influence elections, they were fined 5 Billion USD by the FTC over the Cambridge Analytica scandal alone and pay similar fines frequently in Europe.

              And China is #1 most problematic, […] also because of the scale and frequency of their attacks on democracy.

              Thank you for proving exactly my point that you’re talking out of your ass, and you’re capable of contradicting yourself in one comment

              • @FiniteBanjo
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                01 month ago

                Looks like you’ve got no counter-arguments for me, I accept your loss.