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      Please, take this opportunity to clear the air and let us all know that you’re aware of how damaging Chinese and Russian policies are for their people, just like Western capitalism for it’s people.

      Russia is a reactionary, capitalist state with policies damaging to their people, especially LGBT people but also generally towards everyone.

      I could understand why you might think that I like the USSR based on the context of the image I shared, but the Russian Federation destroyed and replaced the USSR with a capitalist government, so I can’t say I follow your reasoning about my supposed beliefs at all.

      As for China, how on earth is that even relevant to the conversation? I have a more sympathetic view of China than of Russia, on account of the whole, “Responsible for three quarters of all poverty reduction in the past 40 years” thing, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t have flaws, like anywhere does. It wasn’t that long ago that the majority of Americans held a favorable view of China, before the whole propaganda blitz we’re in now started.

      I’m sure that by complying with your request (irrelevant as it was), you’re going to back off from your false, imagined claims about me and not just use this opportunity to latch onto something I said and jump down my throat again, right? Because you’re definitely acting in good faith.

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        I’m not part of the conversation, but I wanted to let you know that I appreciated your response. I believe that the USSR was very fucked too, hence the coup, but I appreciate your candid and honest reply.

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          Right, I mean, the whole idea of someone who just blindly agrees with anything that has ever done by anyone waving a red flag is kind of silly. If the USSR didn’t have flaws, then it wouldn’t have collapsed. People would rather just pretend communists are all like that because they don’t want to engage with what we actually believe, which is generally more nuanced.

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            There are certainly those types of people on Lemmy, but you have shown that you’re not one of them.

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          If you comment in lemmy.ml on any of the omnipresent Chinese or Russian-centric posts with anything other than adoration, you’re banned… Criticism isn’t allowed in any of the major communities there and you’re obviously aware of that.

          That’s demonstrably false, and you’re obviously aware of that.

          If all you’re interested in is strawmanning, ad hominem, and repeated lies, then I’m not interested in continuing this conversation.

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              See, this is why the correct approach to bad faith actors is to never give an inch, because they’ll just keep going on the offensive and jumping to new topics, no matter how reasonably you treat them. Because they’re acting in bad faith and don’t actually care what you actually believe, they just want to make you look bad.

              Unfortunately, I’m nice so I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt even when I shouldn’t. Allow me to correct my mistake.

              Ahem. Why do you support Israel’s genocide, fascist? Lots of people have seen people like you supporting it so you must too. Denounce it right now or it’ll prove you hate Palestinians.

              Don’t worry, if you do, I’ll have another accusation ready and waiting for you, just like how you do.

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                  Do you denounce the Biden administration’s restrictions on trans healthcare?

                  If you do, I’ll have another thing to demand you to denounce right after. I’ll throw your tactics right back in your face.

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              The fact that some critical comments got removed does not prove that “anything other than adoration” results in a ban.

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                You’re absolutely right, I could say “China is a country with over 1.4 billion people” and not get banned, despite that not being adoration.

                Yet any common or good-faith reading of that phrase would not imply that neutral statements are included under the ban.

                Any other bailey you’d like to run to?

                What’s your demanded ratio for censorship to count as censorship? 1 removed for every 10 that remain? 1-1? 2-1? 10-1?