This exchange has been the same thing I’ve repeatedly seen or personally experienced with tankies.
They end up thinking that their “gotcha” will be expressing fucked up Western policies or actions. They do this because, as I originally stated, they hate the thing they know (Western capitalism) and therefore embrace “the other thing” to feel like they’re on the “right” side. They assume that everyone else is doing the same, and that by being critical of Communist governments, we must love Western governments.
And as I also said up front, THEY’RE BOTH SHIT, and if you can’t see that, you’re very simple. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. You’re not on the good guys’ side just because they’re opposed to the bad guys. It’s the Crips vs the Bloods, not Batman vs the Joker.
I hope you wake up to this very basic truth someday, but I’ve continued this conversation more for other people, to show them the holes in your line of thinking.
Are you still pretending like you were acting in good faith? Lmao. First you jumped down my throat with baseless accusations, then you demanded that I criticize Russia, then when I did, you sensed blood in the water and came after me even harder.
You know for a fact at this point that your accusations were false, you don’t care. Because it was never about saying things that you actually believe, it was about going on the offensive and saying anything to make me look bad.
I don’t care about making you look bad. I’m throwing light onto some fucked up beliefs that get dressed up with “fuck America!” to make them more attractive to simple minds. The fact that you embrace these beliefs is irrelevant to me. This is for the reader, not you.
It does bring context to your righteous indignation that you’ve so closely tied the discrediting of your beliefs to a personal attack.
Thank you for admitting it was just about trying to make another side look bad and that you had no interest in what I actually believed. That’s the first honest thing you’ve said this conversation.
For those playing at home, here’s a recap: being critical of Communist regimes makes you a “bad actor” (Jesus, tankies love that term. It’s their magical spell that they invoke to avoid having to defend the asinine beliefs), I’ve committed every argument fallacy known to man, and all I care about it making someone look bad by virtue of speaking to their own claims.
If you’d like a more personalized experience, head on over to lemmy.ml and suggest that China’s current, very well-documented genocide exists. You can be a bad actor too!
People who take this approach are very wrapped up in identify, which is clearly the case for the person I’ve been having fun with if you care to check out their comment history. They need to be part of a group and feel righteous. They need all the lines defined for them. As is so often the case, they repeat big and little lies without really understanding what they’re saying.
They’re the same type of people who identify the horrors perpetuated by the Republican party so they say they’re a die-hard Democrat. And to head off the next inevitable reply, no, both sides aren’t the same. But they serve the same master, and neither gives 2 fucks about the well being or will of the people.
OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml needs to have a very rigorous identify to the point of not understanding or caring to understand what it is their chosen group actually believes or does. It’s about belonging and feelings like they’re in control.
All my homies hate the atrocities committed under Western capitalism AND the CCP’s version of it. If you think it’s about anything other than power and control for the wealthy, you’re just another one of their tools.
There there, let it out. I know you were just holding that in from before you even saw my first comment and that it’s completely unrelated to anything I said. I hope you said what you needed to say. Sometimes you just gotta vent.
Tankies are cosplaying SJWs akin to Catholics who say that every kid who claimed a priest molested them is a liar, and also we need to be investigating what those kids were wearing, and sex with adults is actually beneficial for kids, and what about child brides in Muslim communities?
Oh, you had more. Keep going, you’re only proving that you approached this conversation in bad faith. I should’ve told you to fuck off from the start when you made it clear you were only interested in lobbing baseless accusations, but I’m just too nice so I gave you a chance anyway.
For those following along, notice how they never addressed any point and instead tried to personally discredit me. This is because they don’t have logic or fact on their side.
This is the tankie way.
Arguing with a tankie is like playing chess with a pigeon. They’ll shit all over the board and still strut around like they won.
Don’t be like them. Don’t pick a side because it’s trendy and goes against the norm. Identify and fight fascism in all its forms, not just “the other team’s” atrocities.
(take special note of the gymnastics that they had to perform to make sure they didn’t admit that China is performing it’s own genocide, since that would upset other people on their team).
It is encouraging that they’re ratioed and are as transparent to everyone else as they are to me.
I know it’s gotta feel pretty bad to be so bad at making any relevant point when you’re so verbose. I hope that someday you mature enough to be able to admit that you never really understood what you were supporting other than feeling like you’re part of a group.
This exchange has been the same thing I’ve repeatedly seen or personally experienced with tankies.
They end up thinking that their “gotcha” will be expressing fucked up Western policies or actions. They do this because, as I originally stated, they hate the thing they know (Western capitalism) and therefore embrace “the other thing” to feel like they’re on the “right” side. They assume that everyone else is doing the same, and that by being critical of Communist governments, we must love Western governments.
And as I also said up front, THEY’RE BOTH SHIT, and if you can’t see that, you’re very simple. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend. You’re not on the good guys’ side just because they’re opposed to the bad guys. It’s the Crips vs the Bloods, not Batman vs the Joker.
I hope you wake up to this very basic truth someday, but I’ve continued this conversation more for other people, to show them the holes in your line of thinking.
Are you still pretending like you were acting in good faith? Lmao. First you jumped down my throat with baseless accusations, then you demanded that I criticize Russia, then when I did, you sensed blood in the water and came after me even harder.
You know for a fact at this point that your accusations were false, you don’t care. Because it was never about saying things that you actually believe, it was about going on the offensive and saying anything to make me look bad.
I don’t care about making you look bad. I’m throwing light onto some fucked up beliefs that get dressed up with “fuck America!” to make them more attractive to simple minds. The fact that you embrace these beliefs is irrelevant to me. This is for the reader, not you.
It does bring context to your righteous indignation that you’ve so closely tied the discrediting of your beliefs to a personal attack.
Thank you for admitting it was just about trying to make another side look bad and that you had no interest in what I actually believed. That’s the first honest thing you’ve said this conversation.
For those playing at home, here’s a recap: being critical of Communist regimes makes you a “bad actor” (Jesus, tankies love that term. It’s their magical spell that they invoke to avoid having to defend the asinine beliefs), I’ve committed every argument fallacy known to man, and all I care about it making someone look bad by virtue of speaking to their own claims.
If you’d like a more personalized experience, head on over to lemmy.ml and suggest that China’s current, very well-documented genocide exists. You can be a bad actor too!
People who take this approach are very wrapped up in identify, which is clearly the case for the person I’ve been having fun with if you care to check out their comment history. They need to be part of a group and feel righteous. They need all the lines defined for them. As is so often the case, they repeat big and little lies without really understanding what they’re saying.
They’re the same type of people who identify the horrors perpetuated by the Republican party so they say they’re a die-hard Democrat. And to head off the next inevitable reply, no, both sides aren’t the same. But they serve the same master, and neither gives 2 fucks about the well being or will of the people.
OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml needs to have a very rigorous identify to the point of not understanding or caring to understand what it is their chosen group actually believes or does. It’s about belonging and feelings like they’re in control.
All my homies hate the atrocities committed under Western capitalism AND the CCP’s version of it. If you think it’s about anything other than power and control for the wealthy, you’re just another one of their tools.
There there, let it out. I know you were just holding that in from before you even saw my first comment and that it’s completely unrelated to anything I said. I hope you said what you needed to say. Sometimes you just gotta vent.
Tankies are cosplaying SJWs akin to Catholics who say that every kid who claimed a priest molested them is a liar, and also we need to be investigating what those kids were wearing, and sex with adults is actually beneficial for kids, and what about child brides in Muslim communities?
Oh, you had more. Keep going, you’re only proving that you approached this conversation in bad faith. I should’ve told you to fuck off from the start when you made it clear you were only interested in lobbing baseless accusations, but I’m just too nice so I gave you a chance anyway.
You’re exactly as advertised.
For those following along, notice how they never addressed any point and instead tried to personally discredit me. This is because they don’t have logic or fact on their side.
This is the tankie way.
Arguing with a tankie is like playing chess with a pigeon. They’ll shit all over the board and still strut around like they won.
Don’t be like them. Don’t pick a side because it’s trendy and goes against the norm. Identify and fight fascism in all its forms, not just “the other team’s” atrocities.
(take special note of the gymnastics that they had to perform to make sure they didn’t admit that China is performing it’s own genocide, since that would upset other people on their team).
It is encouraging that they’re ratioed and are as transparent to everyone else as they are to me.
I know it’s gotta feel pretty bad to be so bad at making any relevant point when you’re so verbose. I hope that someday you mature enough to be able to admit that you never really understood what you were supporting other than feeling like you’re part of a group.