This was my conment on a post saying that pregnant people should always be used instead of pregnant women. My comment was under someone saying vitamins for pregnant women should say vitamins for pregnant people. I have a trans son and many trans friends. My comment was not promoting hate! Fucking reddit mods
Seems like you put way too much effort in opposing such a simple change. Why care at all if its changed to “people”? You sound a lot like people “just asking questions.”
“Biological female” is also a big red-flag.
Some FTM may not even come out until they’re already pregnant. Some may choose to not take HRT for the purpose of having a biological child. And you don’t need to take HRT to be trans, so it also sound a bit too transmedicalist.
Don’t forget the tokenism in the description of this post.
OP: “It’s ok, I have trans friends”
Well i do. And i don’t hate them. I dont really hate anyone.
“I don’t hate black people, but DESPITE-”
That’s how that comes across.
I never said i oposse it. Just that it sounds weird.
And yeah…should have said assigned female at birth instead of biological female
Fooled me.
Seems sus. But honestly its weird what people are about, so I wouldn’t really blame you for feeling that way. For example:
Back when I was an egg (ie: I had no clue I was trans), I remember specifically disliking when my parents got me shampoo with the label “men” on it. I’ve gone without deodorant because the one I usually got was out of stock and the next closest thing (the only other “vegan” one I knew of) was labeled “men”. I’ve avoided multivitamins marketed for “men”. I had no clue why that bothered me… I assumed I was cis-by-default. It still makes no sense why I care about any of that. But I certainly don’t doubt there’s trans men who care about such labels, even if just a little. Its probably not in the top 100 in the list of priorities, but there’s no reason to waste even a sentence defending that kind of wording.
Trans people already deal with enough BS elsewhere. No reason they should tolerate within their own communities. I’m currently banned from such a community I was a regular in and I’ll defend them banning me for what they thought I was saying (even though its based on a complete misunderstanding).
I hear you. Things are too labeled in society. Like deodorant and shampoo is the same for everyone…why do we need to add “for men” or " for women" anyway? I am a cis woman who has no issue buying “men’s” razors/shampoo/deodorant simply because its cheaper and since i use unscented products it doesn’t matter to me. I also buy and wear boxers cus they are more comfortable. I dont consider myself non-binary or trans or a cross dresser because Im secure in my womanhood and don’t consider it a big deal.
As far as the phrase " Pregnant People" it does sound weird when you say it aloud. Its too illliteritive. Why not just Pregnant if theres a need to generalize or pregnant individuals?
I feel that its just as easy to actually ASK the person in front of you what term they prefer you use and then just use that term rather than try and generalize and lump everyone together. As a cis women i wouldn’t care to be referred to as a pregnant person but it would’ve really bother me enough for me to correct them. If they called me a pregnant man, I wouldn’t get all offended and think they hate all cis women, id just laugh and correct them. Its really not hard to just communicate with the person in front of you. Its far easier than trying to change all language to be inclusive.
I dont see how that sounds weird. If you don’t like the illiteration, you can replace it with another noun. Pregnant is an adjective afaik, so it needs a noun to be applied to. Of course language can change, but expecting vitamin manufactured to be the ones to change the part of speech of a word seems like getting the order backwards.
So vitamins aimed at pregnants (guess we are making it a noun now?) will have a person behind the table that asks what noun you want written on the bottle before they hand it to you?
This isn’t about individuals: it’s a mass produced product. Of course for individuals you can tailor the language to the individual. I don’t see why you would normal ask anyways: most of the time you’ll just be implying someone doesn’t pass, whether they’re cis or trans and if they’re trans and not comfortable coming out yet, then you may be putting someone is an uncomfortable position of choosing to come out or misgender themselves.
Seems like reasonable responses. I’d be confused why calling you a “person” would be incorrect, but I’d try to respect it, but I’d eventually conclude you are probably transphobic.
I present as a guy and my body is masculine, so people gender me that way. It’s not really a big deal imo - like there’s certain specific terms like “man” that are kinda icky, but I’m not gonna care at all if you say “he.”
But that’s just my own experience. Different people are going to be different. Still, at least most trans people I know don’t get mad at people for misgendering them, even if they have their pronouns on their shirt or the people misgendering them have been corrected many times and are just intentionally being disrespectful. Of course some of the times, those interactions may make someone’s day much worse even if they don’t show it at the time.
Cis people get the advantage of cis-by-default treatment. Of course trans people are going to be less secure in their gender on average given all of the transphobia in society. Even if a cis person is regularly misgendered, they can still easily feel secure in their gender simply because they of the way they were born. That same source of confidence for cis people is an obstacle to be overcome by trans people.
I usually avoid stuff labeled “for men” because it’s usually a lower quality product but that allows it to be also labeled “rugged”
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