• @anticolonialist@lemmy.world
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    Too late Bernie, we’ve seen you sit on the sidelines in silence like the rest of the DNC while Palestinians got slaughtered. His silence and refusal to call it out made him complicit.

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      502 months ago

      Let us be clear: The Palestinian people today are experiencing nothing less than a humanitarian disaster. Thousands are already dead, including many children, and more are wounded. Hundreds of thousands have been forced out of their homes. These people, deeply impoverished before this war, now lack food, water, fuel, shelter, medicine, and other basic necessities. Unbelievably, more than 400,000 Palestinians, driven from their homes, are now sheltering in densely crowded U.N.-run schools. Dozens of medical facilities have been damaged, and 35 U.N. aid workers have been killed. The aid trickling into Gaza is just a fraction of what is needed. In a few days, hospitals will run out of fuel, and ventilators and incubators will shut off. This is a desperate, desperate situation. I echo Secretary Blinken’s call for the immediate release of all hostages. He also called for the consideration of a humanitarian pause by all parties. To my mind, a pause is essential for the protection of civilians as required by the laws of war, as well as for the provision of robust supplies of food, water, and medical aid to address the growing humanitarian catastrophe.

      -Sanders, Oct 25th on the Senate floor

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      I thought about digging up the video of Bernie vigorously complaining about aid for Israel without any improvement in their behavior from the 1980s. But I feel like I’ve sent it to you before along with some others, the last time you raised this totally bizarre argument.

      But something even more fundamental occurred to me

      You’re saying that Bernie Sanders is in lock step with the DNC?

      Bernie Sanders?

      DNC?

      You, uh…

      Are you under the impression Bernie Sanders is a Democrat?

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        112 months ago

        They might not know enough about US politics to understand the nuance.

        • mozz
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          I think it is fairly obvious that they’re just deliberately saying weird and inflammatory shit to pollute the discussion. I mean, it worked on me.

          But yes, if we’re going to take it seriously enough to write down reasons why they are clearly not being honest, “all the people on the ‘left’ look the same to me, I put Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Party in the same category, doesn’t everyone on the American left do that?” is a fairly big one.

        • mozz
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          The warm and loving friendship between Bernie and the DNC, with him always agreeing with everything they wa

          You know what

          Even typing a sarcastic reply to this is a waste of time.

          I looked over your profile. Long story short:

          The US and Ukraine ripped up that treaty years before by refusing to abide by the terms of the Minsk Agreements. [emphasis mine]

          Anyone with an ounce of integrity would be anti US, anti EU, anti Ukraine.

          Navalny was ostracized in Russia because of his white nationalism, not because he opposed Putin.

          Just curious – what sources of news / world politics information do you usually read? Where did you learn this about Navalny and the Minsk agreement, for example, or about how silent Bernie has been on the Israel issue up until now? I am interested to learn to deprogram myself from all the Western propaganda that maybe I’ve been taken in by, and I’d like to be able to expose myself to some honest news. What would you recommend as a good place to get started where I could learn this stuff too?

            • mozz
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              Or just pulled out of his ass. I’m pretty sure the Bernie Israel thing is just made up because of the impact it would have, not anything this person even read in some propaganda piece.

              @anticolonialist@lemmy.world Answer me you perfectly honest person – you say things like “I suspect everything you know about both countries has come from US propaganda” – okay sure, where do you get what you know about both countries? And about Biden, or Bernie Sanders? Why would this straightforward question lead to sudden silence?

    • @bazus1@lemmy.world
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      122 months ago

      Bro, the only comment you’ve made on this account that has more upvotes than downvotes is one that you deleted. I think it’s safe to say that the inverse of whatever you say is true. Let’s try it out.

      “Just in time Bernie; we’ve seen you active in the forefront protesting unlike the rest of the DNC while Palestinians got slaughtered. His agitation and willingness to call it out made him a leader.”

      Yeah, sounds about right.

    • @Krono
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      I think you’re right that Bernie was late. He has been criticized for decades for being weak on Palestine. He wouldnt say the word “ceasefire” until the Democratic Party gave him permission.

      But please look at the bigger picture. The movement for Palestinian liberation needs numbers and we need solidarity. Bernie may be “late” but hes on the right side of history. Everyone who joins the movement today is “late” but we can’t afford to turn them away.

      And let’s be honest, Bernie is the best Senator of our lifetimes (so far). No other Senator is giving such powerful pro-Palestinian speeches. The Senate floor would be so much darker and more evil without this one man’s voice.