- cross-posted to:
- stablediffusion@lemmit.online
- cross-posted to:
- stablediffusion@lemmit.online
A sex offender convicted of making more than 1,000 indecent images of children has been banned from using any “AI creating tools” for the next five years in the first known case of its kind.
Anthony Dover, 48, was ordered by a UK court “not to use, visit or access” artificial intelligence generation tools without the prior permission of police as a condition of a sexual harm prevention order imposed in February.
The ban prohibits him from using tools such as text-to-image generators, which can make lifelike pictures based on a written command, and “nudifying” websites used to make explicit “deepfakes”.
Dover, who was given a community order and £200 fine, has also been explicitly ordered not to use Stable Diffusion software, which has reportedly been exploited by paedophiles to create hyper-realistic child sexual abuse material, according to records from a sentencing hearing at Poole magistrates court.
Try to take your emotion from the discussion. There is finally a way for people with an illness (in this case pedophilia) to “satisfy” urges without causing harm to children. They need professional help which cannot be gained easily in the UK due to a certain government removing funds.
This isn’t a give pedos stuff celebration, it’s a discussion that needs to happen and if you’re not mature enough to not get emotional, don’t partake in the conversation.
What were those models trained on?
Not taking sides, but his argument hinged on the stable diffusion model not having CSAM in it, and using non-CSAM images in order to generate CSAM.
So he’s already answered the question of what the models are trained on.
Whether those models actually are clean/safe is a different question.
Here’s the problem, it doesn’t matter if it was or not. It does, but that’s a different issue.
My point is, how do you know it wasn’t trained on csam?
You can’t possibly. You can point to all the places where csam isn’t and say “we haven’t found any illegal images yet.” But you can’t say with 100% certainty that there are none.
And since you can’t prove that no csam is used to train the model, any argument beyond that point is moot. If this were almost any other issue I’d say eliminating 99.99% of the risk is completely valid and safe. But we’re not talking about a celebrity or a porn star. We’re talking about child victims of sexual assault, and to that end we should not accept anything other than absolute certainty. And because absolute certainty cannot exist, we should not simply accept it as a society.
I’m not disagreeing, I also don’t want these models producing CSAM.
But in the hypothetical that we have a clean model that still generates CSAM, what would be your argument against it?
Obviously goat sex
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My understanding is that CSAM doesn’t satisfy anything. Iirc research on the subject suggests that it causes most pedophiles to go out and look for the real thing.
Which scans. How many people watch normal.porn and think: “well, that’s good enough” and just stop pursuing a real partner?
Could you please provide such paper? I couldn’t obtain the same findings.
The difference between pedophiles and non-pedophiles is that the latter don’t have to satisfy themselves with less; it’s not morally wrong nor illegal to pursue relationships with an adult partner. It is, however, with children.
No one says pedophiles don’t want to have relationships/sex with children after being exposed to either CSAM or AI imagery; but there is a difference between a wish and intention, and if we can help them to keep their wishes at bay, we should.
If dating adults would deeply traumatize them and would be illegal, many people would probably find a relief in porn without a real action. We just don’t normally consider this perspective because in reality it’s totally okay and we don’t have to limit ourselves.
That’s why satisfy was in quotations, it’s not a black and white matter, for a lot of people this does nothing. But for alot of people this is something that is potentially life altering.
And I agree with what you’re saying to an extent. But you watch porn to satisfy an urge, if I watch a certain category of porn it doesn’t mean I want to go out and experience that category.
This is a complicated Matter, and someyhing a magistrate is not equipped to deal with.
Enough that our birth rates are dropping and less people are getting married.
You’re going to have to source your claim there.
If you think porn is the reason for declining birth rates and higher rates of loneliness I have a bridge to sell you