What if i agree with some of my friends that we will join our yards to make one big field and work it together? We could also ask others for help and pay them for their work, the amount of money we both agree with.
but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don’t produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.
Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn’t want a garden won’t have one to sell you, because they wouldn’t have one in the first place.
Don’t think in terms of “right” and “wrong”. Think materially.
what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?
What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine
Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.
Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn’t stand for government corruption.
You’re talking about using your personal connections within the community to slowly assemble a farm from small acquisitions like their deceased father’s garden and then leveraging those connections to find people to help you work the land. People that don’t need to give you their land and don’t need to work your land, they’re actually choosing to do it freely. That’d actually be amazing if it ever happened.
That basically has zero relation with how farms work under capitalism.
Well at the moment that’s what we accept and then they set the rules for industry, hardly much added danger in letting them be the industry? More direct rule for the people.
I’m sorry but i really don’t understand who is “we” and “they”
How is the government formed? Who makes sure the competent people stay in power and don’t abuse their position? Can anyone become the part of the government?
What if i agree with some of my friends that we will join our yards to make one big field and work it together? We could also ask others for help and pay them for their work, the amount of money we both agree with.
You and your community collectively owning and operating a farm is literally a communal farm.
but if some of my friends dont want to work it they can just sell me the land. And if we produce more food than we need we can sell it so we can buy other things we don’t produce. I dont understand why its wrong to own a farm.
Personal property is for personal use. That’s it.
Once you start to accumulate surplus property then its very obviously not personal anymore. A person that doesn’t want a garden won’t have one to sell you, because they wouldn’t have one in the first place.
Don’t think in terms of “right” and “wrong”. Think materially.
what if their father left them the garden and they want to sell it to me? what if they want to move somewhere else and they decide to sell me their property?
Inheritance is antithetical to meritocracy is the basis for generational wealth and capitalist dynasties.
Everything must go, use it lose it.
What even is your motivation to do more than the bare minimum to survive if not to leave it to your children? I would rather take care of my kids future than let some corrupt government do it who will prioritize their children over mine
You can’t even imagine helping your neighbors, huh?
You overestimate how much the average person cares for people they don’t know.
In the entirety of human history communism has never worked. Not once has any society been able to work on the ideals of it.
So what are all those people without kids doing?
Make a better world, build a stronger economy for them excel in and make their own way. I plan on providing the very best for my children to let them go about their life as they see fit and not have to rely on something I might pass down.
Corrupt governments is a cop out statement too, ideally you wouldn’t stand for government corruption.
A person who could actually assemble a farm through small land acquisitions through the power of friendship probably deserves it tbh
I wouldn’t really call it friendship. Company is a good word.
You’re talking about using your personal connections within the community to slowly assemble a farm from small acquisitions like their deceased father’s garden and then leveraging those connections to find people to help you work the land. People that don’t need to give you their land and don’t need to work your land, they’re actually choosing to do it freely. That’d actually be amazing if it ever happened.
That basically has zero relation with how farms work under capitalism.
Freely? No. For money. They can also work for money.
Who decides what constitutes surplus?
The democratically elected central committee, or some other process whereby everyone decides together what our fair share is.
Substance farming is different than owning a farm that exists by its own production of food and selling those produced goods at market price.
Keeps the means of production out of the hands of the wealthy.
who even makes farms at that point?
The government, literally the only option left when you take away the rich and poor.
And who will make sure they don’t abuse their power? Its basic human nature to be greedy. Who chooses the government? People voting?
I’m so sorry you believe that.
Its sad but its true. Not everyone is bad but a lot of people are, if you don’t believe that you are very sheltered.
Ok then @queermunist , I’m seriously going to call you out on this now: please send me your money.
Like, seriously.
Send me all the money you have earned and saved up so far, if you really believe what you said.
Share your money with me. I’m not greedy, I need your money to live.
Well at the moment that’s what we accept and then they set the rules for industry, hardly much added danger in letting them be the industry? More direct rule for the people.
I’m sorry but i really don’t understand who is “we” and “they”
How is the government formed? Who makes sure the competent people stay in power and don’t abuse their position? Can anyone become the part of the government?
Remove “some” and redefine “friends” to mean “anyone, anywhere, at anytime, and for any reason”, and you’re golden.