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    10 months ago

    Quantify the risk, please.

    Blood can only be donated every 8 weeks, plasma twice a week. After donating blood, you can’t donate plasma for 8 weeks.

    The hypothetical “untrustworthy” plasma donors you’re talking about are earning about $640 in 8 weeks. I don’t see them switching to whole blood donation for $50 or $100 compensation. I’m not seeing how the risk to the blood supply is going to increase at all, let alone significantly enough to exceed the risk of critical shortages in the blood supply.

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        10 months ago

        Hell, if you’d stopped to think for half a second you’d realize all that will do is increase patient costs and endanger the blood supply.

        Still waiting on you to quantify that risk. This is the third time I’ve asked you to support your initial assertion.

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            10 months ago

            Yes, that is exactly what you are doing. Still waiting on you to demonstrate your initial claim that paying donors would endanger the blood supply.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens's_razor

            From the article:

            The organization added there was a 7,000-unit shortfall in blood donations between Christmas Day and New Year’s Day alone.

            One of the most distressing situations for a doctor is to have a hospital full of patients and an empty refrigerator without any blood products,” Pampee Young, chief medical officer of the Red Cross, said in a statement.

            I leave you with two options:

            1. Demonstrate that your claimed threat to the blood supply is more dangerous to patients than a shortage of 7000 units per week; or,

            2. Drop this claimed threat as an argument against paying donors.

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                10 months ago

                Yes, exactly:

                Description: Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim.

                In your initial response, you made a claim that needs justification:

                Hell, if you’d stopped to think for half a second you’d realize all that will do is increase patient costs and endanger the blood supply.

                You are now demanding that I either accept your unsubstantiated claim, or prove it false. As the link you have spammed in response demonstrates, your argument is fallacious, and the burden of proving your initial claim rests with you.

                The only claim arising before yours is the idea that paying people for blood could increase the blood supply. Technically, that claim does require proof, and technically, that proof has not been provided. But, the concept of “basic economics” has been so well demonstrated that refusing to accept that premise would be a profound exercise of intellectual dishonesty.

                Edit: since you added a “false dichotomy” argument, I’ll address it as well. You were asked to choose between defending your previous claim or not defending your claim. That is a Boolean condition. There is no intermediate or alternate position. Any action you take will either be in defense of your position, or not in defense of your position.

                You have the choice of maintaining your claim or not maintaining your claim. That is a second Boolean condition. Again, there is no intermediate or alternate condition. Any action you take will either be to maintain your previous claim, or not

                Two Boolean conditions leaves a total of four options. Defend and maintain, defend and not maintain, not defend and maintain, not defend and not maintain. Of those four conditions, only two are rational. Defending your claim, yet abandoning it is not rational; not defending your claim yet maintaining it is not rational.

                The options I provided are the only two rational options regarding your initial claim. “False dilemma” only applies to this scenario if you wish to pursue one of the two demonstrably irrational options.