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    If you believe the Cambodians were communists, you have to believe that the nazis were.

    I mean, Hitler very clearly wrote in Mein Kampf that he DID take inspiration from socialism, except that, like all other communist dictators before or after him, he thought that HE had found the missing ingredient to make it work.

    Literally took years of capitalist economics in high school and college, it is one of the reasons I’m a communist.

    Hah, imagine getting a “capitalist” education from people who don’t have to worry about their own job security because they have tenure. Isn’t that just like getting a communist education from a Wall Street CEO?

    Chinese feudal landlords didn’t believe in socialism, that didn’t stop the communists from doing land reform.

    Yes. The secret ingredient was (and always is) called violence.

    By definition revolutions involve violence.

    Okay, at least you’re honest enough to admit that.

    Are you condemning the capitalist revolutions that threw off the monarchies? The status quo involved comparatively massive amounts of violence then, and it does now.

    Yes, I condemn all violence, capitalist or otherwise. But I honestly don’t experience capitalism as particularly violent. My biggest successes all came through non-violent means, by educating myself and improving my technical and people skills. Amazingly, it turns out that if you’re willing to learn what others will pay you for, more often than not, they’ll actually just hand you money without you having to make any threats about taking over their whole company.

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      I mean, Hitler very clearly wrote in Mein Kampf that he DID take inspiration from socialism, except that, like all other communist dictators before or after him, he thought that HE had found the missing ingredient to make it work.

      He also very explicitly said that the nazis weren’t socialist, and all of the parties policies were hard capitalist.

      Hah, imagine getting a “capitalist” education from people who don’t have to worry about their own job security because they have tenure. Isn’t that just like getting a communist education from a Wall Street CEO?

      We live in a capitalist society. Any attempt to claim this isn’t capitalism and we have a shift toward actual capitalism is an attempt to sell you fascism.

      Also pretty sure most of them were adjuncts.

      Yes. The secret ingredient was (and always is) called violence.

      Yes. When they removed the secret ingredient, the landlords could not maintain their property relations with the peasants. That is correct.

      Yes, I condemn all violence, capitalist or otherwise. But I honestly don’t experience capitalism as particularly violent.

      Well then either you’re really sheltered or you haven’t been paying attention.

      My biggest successes all came through non-violent means, by educating myself and improving my technical and people skills. Amazingly, it turns out that if you’re willing to learn what others will pay you for, more often than not, they’ll actually just hand you money without you having to make any threats about taking over their whole company.

      Oh, well if it worked for you, I guess those slave laborers can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. And all those genocide victims should have just spent more time educating themselves.

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        He also very explicitly said that the nazis weren’t socialist, and all of the parties policies were hard capitalist.

        The word “Nazi” is literally short for “Nationalsozialist” (i.e. national socialist). Notice anything here?

        The most prominent distinction he made between national socialism and socialism is in the word “national”. Socialists are international, while the Nazis were concerned with their own countrymen’s welfare only.

        We live in a capitalist society. Any attempt to claim this isn’t capitalism and we have a shift toward actual capitalism is an attempt to sell you fascism.

        What then is social security, medicare, unemployment insurance, etc.? Those are all socialist programs. We can argue about their quality or effectiveness all day long but pure capitalism would get rid of them immediately. Also I don’t think you have any idea of what fascism actually is.

        Yes. When they removed the secret ingredient, the landlords could not maintain their property relations with the peasants. That is correct.

        What on earth are you talking about?

        Well then either you’re really sheltered or you haven’t been paying attention.

        Not at all, I’ve certainly experienced my share of violence, but after doing a lot of research and introspection, I came to the conclusion that it’s not capitalism that’s primarily to blame for that, it was how I engaged with it that was the problem. If you stop fighting capitalism, it stops fighting you, too. Consider being thrown in a deep body of water without knowing how to swim. If you frantically fight to stay afloat you’re just gonna wear yourself out and then start to drown. But if you relax and stop resisting, and just focus on your breathing instead, you realize you can just float on the surface without working too hard.

        Oh, well if it worked for you, I guess those slave laborers can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. And all those genocide victims should have just spent more time educating themselves.

        Again, not entirely sure what you’re on about here, but in case you consider yourself one of them, I am literally trying to hand you the key to your cage. But you DO have to use it on your own and let yourself out if you actually want to be free from oppression.