The poll found 50% of Democrats approve of how Biden has navigated the conflict while 46% disapprove ā and the two groups diverge substantially in their views of U.S. support for Israel. Bidenās support on the issue among Democrats is down slightly from August, as an AP-NORC poll conducted then found that 57% of Democrats approved of his handling of the conflict and 40% disapproved.
Or they could have been brutally honest and said āmore than half of democrats approve of enabling genocideā.
And before you say ābut Trump and the Republicans are much worseā, yes thatās obviously true but thatās besides the point.
If weāre truely being honest then the majority of Americans think Isrealis are all descended from holocaust survivors surrounded by Bin Ladens who hate freedom.
American education is extremely hyper focused on itself and itself exclusively. A US student only learns about other countries through the propaganda version of armed conflicts it personally participated in.
As an American high school student in the early 90ās I was taught that Israel was a great friend to the USA and always being attacked just because other countries didnāt like Jews.
I have a better understanding of things now but it does help me understand why Israel gets so much support from my and older generations.
One turtle tells me news that I like to hear and letās me forget about the bastards over there that we keep supporting
Actually, if they were being genuinely honest, it would be more like āmore than half of democrats think Bidenās making the best choice in an all-round shitty situationā. None of us approve of enabling genocide.
Some people actually think āpushing Israel to set rules of engagementā is some of the best weāre going to get if we canāt get the entire world on-board. Nobody wants to invade Israel to stop this (do they), and Israel is out for blood right now. Trying to focus them towards Hamas and not ādestroying Palastineā might be the only win we can have 7,000 miles away.
Iām a fence-sitter on this issue, but I think the majority that supports Bidenās plan do so for reasons that have nothing to do with āenabling genocideā.
I get that you want us to condemn Israel. And Iām sure itās been considered. I also undersetand there are ramifications to the US of doing that, and it wonāt necessarily save a single Palestinian life.
Thatās a self-contradiction since what you guys think is the ābest choiceā is objectively enabling genocide by unquestioningly supporting the government committing it while punishing those that speak up against it.
It isnāt, though. Israel has been setting their own rules the whole time and thatās the majority of what caused the whole thing.
Of course not.
Thatās not being done, though. Unless thereās consequences such as withholding military (but not humanitarian) aid and possibly targeted sanctions, the apartheid regime is going to continue committing atrocities.
Yes and no: I believe that most of the people who supports his genocide-enabling are under- or misinformed enough to not know that theyāre indirectly supporting genocide.
Of course. Anything else is being complicit.
Probably not seriously, no. The neoliberal Dem leadership depend too much on bribes from AIPAC and others like them.
I guarantee you that no longer getting the financial and political support of the US would force them to be less aggressive, which would save thousands of lives.
I think objectively doesnāt mean what you think it means. But more importantly, even if youāre right about there being a better response than Bidenās (and you might be; itās a complicated issue), that doesnāt mean people who support Bidenās position agree that youāre right. Which means, NO, objectively, they do not āapprove of enabling genocideā. Just look at literally the other reply to me that agreed with me at length. And if there are at least two people who support Bidenās decisions in this thread alone that do not āapprove of enabling genocideā, then I bet you any money thereās at least 2 more out in the US. āPerhaps more than that!ā
I called you on your bad-faith accusation that Democratic voters āapprove of enabling genocideā, and nothing in your reply to me reduces the accuracy of what I called you on. Youāre just getting into the weeds arguing politics now.
If you want, Iād be happy to join that conversation as well. As soon as you concede that the āapprove of enabling genocideā thing was excessive and bad faith.
Itās a fact that the tack Biden is taking amounts to enabling genocide. Whether you know that or not, saying you approve of his handling of the situation is saying that you approve of enabling genocide no matter if you know it or not.
In other words:
Bidenās plan is objectively enabling genocide
Some people who donāt consider themselves in favor of enabling genocide support Biden
The thing that those people say they support is enabling genocide, no matter how ignorant of reality or in denial they are.
Curious who made Viking Hippie the sole arbiter of truth. How many experts disagreeing with you makes it less āweāre all objectively enabling genocideā?
What if I think Viking Hippie is āobjectively enabling genocideā? Itās a fact (ok, itās just a thought experiment). That means I get to say anyone that agrees with you is āobjectively enabling genocideā, right?
3 days to come back with āyouāre wrong because itās arrogant to be confident that youāre youāre right when people are paid to be wrongā? Damn, youāre really bad at this! š
With all due respect, when your opinion is āyour argument AND the supermajority is wrong because I said soā, you donāt leave an opening for anything more constructive.
I donāt make a good Soyjak
What supermajority would that be? Only Republicans surpass the 60% threshold and surely you donāt consider them arbiters of truth.
As for what Iām basing my argument on, itās the Geneva Convention and countless UN motions defeated by ridiculous vetoes from a partisan US delegation.
What the Israeli government is doing is by definition several kinds of war crimes, including genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Thatās what Biden is supporting by supporting the Israeli government so, whether youāre aware of it and generally ok with genocide or not, supporting what Biden is doing is by definition supporting the enabling of genocide.
Do you get it now or are your partisan blinders so thick as to make you ideologically incapable of understanding that those you support can sometimes do indefensible things?