Sure; in one view, the free folk should have kept going on past Berlin after liberating Germany from Hitler … and liberated Poland, Ukraine, and Russia from Stalin’s rapists. Then maybe Russians wouldn’t still be getting murdered by their government today.
However, the genocidal rape-murder-fanatics who called themselves Nazis were a clearer target than the genocidal rape-murder-fanatics who (falsely) called themselves Marxists.
Notably, it woulda been nice if the occupying powers had focused on permanently removing the “former” Nazis rather than starving the German populace as collective punishment.
That’s not how we do things here. We generally use crippling sanctions that punish people, mostly poor people , while also trying to find a back room deal or overthrow legally elected governments.
“free folk” is a weird way to describe the US/UK/etc., given what civil rights in those places were like at the time, and the fact that the US now has the highest incarceration rate of anywhere in the world (and a prison system that kills a higher percentage of prisoners than the gulags in the USSR did).
what’s your evidence that
a) the US got involved in the second world war for any reason other than to fight communism (US businesses continued to trade with the Nazi regime right until the end of the war),
b) that the US had any capacity to push further east than they did,
c) that anyone in the USSR wanted their “liberation” (polls in all of the places you mentioned had huge support for the USSR all the way to its dissolution, and even the CIA admits that calling Stalin a “dictator” was misleading propaganda
a) the US got involved in the second world war for any reason other than to fight communism
Lmao what
The US got involved because Japan attacked the US. At no point in WW2 did the US every fight against communists. They allied with communists - and they literally referred to themselves as the Allies
??? The USA could of absolutely kept pushing east but didn’t because it still had all of its forces divided on 2 fronts. If you count just the European theatre, yeah Russia had more tanks and men but they were also being supplied by the Americans. Americans stop supplying war material and SU has to scramble to fill the voids ala now in Ukraine “Special Operation” war. Would it have been a slam dunk easy victory? Absolutely not, but considering the state of everyone’s shit like factories, useable materials, and population loss, America comes out on top every time. If America had attacked the Russians afterwards there is a real possibility the Soviet Union collapses just under its own population drain. By the end of the war SU lost an estimated 8-10 million soldiers and an estimated 24 million civilians. Not to mention having their future soldiers grow up on malnutrition diets. America had also been full steam ahead war manufacturing shit for 5+ years at that point while the SU barely got its factories back up in 42/43 from the initial Nazi invasion.
I’d love to see your evidence though that American Companies kept trading with Germany after the attack at pearl harbor and the subsequent declaration of war by Germany in 1941.
As to the ability to push east, don’t forget we were also pushing west, and why we decided to stop. If we hadn’t, allied forces surely could have pushed until they met.
We didn’t go far enough the first time and look where that got us. Let’s do.it right this time
Sure; in one view, the free folk should have kept going on past Berlin after liberating Germany from Hitler … and liberated Poland, Ukraine, and Russia from Stalin’s rapists. Then maybe Russians wouldn’t still be getting murdered by their government today.
However, the genocidal rape-murder-fanatics who called themselves Nazis were a clearer target than the genocidal rape-murder-fanatics who (falsely) called themselves Marxists.
The solution would have been not placing “former” Nazis in positions of power after the war.
That would be good too, yeah.
Notably, it woulda been nice if the occupying powers had focused on permanently removing the “former” Nazis rather than starving the German populace as collective punishment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_in_occupied_Germany
That’s not how we do things here. We generally use crippling sanctions that punish people, mostly poor people , while also trying to find a back room deal or overthrow legally elected governments.
“free folk” is a weird way to describe the US/UK/etc., given what civil rights in those places were like at the time, and the fact that the US now has the highest incarceration rate of anywhere in the world (and a prison system that kills a higher percentage of prisoners than the gulags in the USSR did).
what’s your evidence that
a) the US got involved in the second world war for any reason other than to fight communism (US businesses continued to trade with the Nazi regime right until the end of the war),
b) that the US had any capacity to push further east than they did,
c) that anyone in the USSR wanted their “liberation” (polls in all of the places you mentioned had huge support for the USSR all the way to its dissolution, and even the CIA admits that calling Stalin a “dictator” was misleading propaganda
Lmao what
The US got involved because Japan attacked the US. At no point in WW2 did the US every fight against communists. They allied with communists - and they literally referred to themselves as the Allies
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??? The USA could of absolutely kept pushing east but didn’t because it still had all of its forces divided on 2 fronts. If you count just the European theatre, yeah Russia had more tanks and men but they were also being supplied by the Americans. Americans stop supplying war material and SU has to scramble to fill the voids ala now in Ukraine “Special Operation” war. Would it have been a slam dunk easy victory? Absolutely not, but considering the state of everyone’s shit like factories, useable materials, and population loss, America comes out on top every time. If America had attacked the Russians afterwards there is a real possibility the Soviet Union collapses just under its own population drain. By the end of the war SU lost an estimated 8-10 million soldiers and an estimated 24 million civilians. Not to mention having their future soldiers grow up on malnutrition diets. America had also been full steam ahead war manufacturing shit for 5+ years at that point while the SU barely got its factories back up in 42/43 from the initial Nazi invasion.
I’d love to see your evidence though that American Companies kept trading with Germany after the attack at pearl harbor and the subsequent declaration of war by Germany in 1941.
As to the ability to push east, don’t forget we were also pushing west, and why we decided to stop. If we hadn’t, allied forces surely could have pushed until they met.
They did push until they met.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Day