Hungary passes amendment banning public LGBTQ+ events
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The amendment declares that children's rights to moral, physical and spiritual development supersede any right other than the right to life, including the right to peaceful assembly.

Hungary’s parliament has passed an amendment to the constitution that allows the government to ban public events by LGBTQ+ communities, a decision that legal scholars and critics are calling another step toward authoritarianism.

The amendment, which required a two-thirds vote, passed along party lines with 140 votes for and 21 against.

It was proposed by the ruling Fidesz-KDNP coalition led by Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.

The amendment declares that children’s rights to moral, physical and spiritual development supersede any right other than the right to life, including the right to peacefully assemble.

The amendment codifies a law fast-tracked through parliament in March that bans public events held by LGBTQ+ communities, including the popular Pride event in Budapest that draws thousands of visitors annually.

That law also allows authorities to use facial recognition tools to identify people who attend prohibited events and can come with fines of up to 200,000 Hungarian forints (€481).

  • talEnglish
    422·
    2 days ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Union

    Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union

    https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/11-freedom-expression-and-information

    1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.

    I know that this isn’t identical to the First Amendment in the US. It doesn’t explicitly prohibit laws against assembling, for one:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    And legal interpretations from cases won’t be the same. But there’s gotta be at least some argument that this runs afoul of the EU treaties and should be challenged under those.

    The European Convention on Human Rights does explicitly prohibit restrictions on assembly, but it also explicitly has an exception if it’s to protect morals, which I assume is the grounds under which Hungary is acting in banning LGBTQ+ groups assembling:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_11_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

    1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

    2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.

    • huppakee@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      291·
      2 days ago

      Thanks for the extensive comment, but unfortunately the EU can’t take Hungary to court. They also ignored the ICC order to arrest Netanyahu. I know I sound very cynical by quoting this, but it seems a very true to me (and Orban) right now.

      Laws without enforced consequences are merely suggestions.

        • Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          61·
          2 days ago

          Yeah, personally I think that something that’s playing a big part in the rise of the right wing is that the current powers that be seem to be completely spineless. And happy to make certain institutions like the EU or even UN look like a bit of a joke or hypocrites. The longer they keep Hungary around making the ‘values’ of the EU look like they’re just suggestions, the harder it is to convince some podcast hooked kid not to support and vote for the people that want to tear the whole thing down.

          And the same goes for Palestine, as contentious as the issue is. When the whole culture that you’ve cultivated back home for the last couple of decades is one of tolerance and peace and justice, then not only sit back and let something like the Palestine situation happen but start threatening and deporting the children that you taught to care for speaking out about it, then why should anyone believe a word you say anymore. Especially young people who are looking for something to believe in.

          Our leaders fucking suck across the globe, actually. Just carrying on like it’s just another day and the idiots aren’t slowly taking over.

          • huppakee@lemm.eeOPEnglish
            3·
            1 day ago

            Totally, our leaders fucking suck. But also I would like to argue it is a really great thing our leaders are (at least most of them) just regular people like you and me. And I don’t know about you, but I suck from time to time too. Also fuck up everyone once in a while, make mistakes and am sometimes misinformed as well. I think we should collectively work on improving the system but also give the part of the idiots that do mean well some lenience. I think calling all politicians idiots, snakes and blood drinking lizards can be a slippery slope that can have very serious consequences in the long run.

            But I agree it’s totally worthless barely anybody is speaking up against Netanyahu in a meaningful way, even after so many recorded war crimes.

      • talEnglish
        91·
        2 days ago

        unfortunately the EU can’t take Hungary to court.

        Hmm. No? Isn’t that what the European Court of Human Rights is for, as to ECHR violations?

        There are rulings against countries here:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Court_of_Human_Rights_judgments

        For violations of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, I’d think that the European Court of Justice would have jurisdiction, and I see rulings here:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Court_of_Justice_rulings

        Like Commission v. Italy.

        They also ignored the ICC order to arrest Netanyahu.

        I’m not sure as to whether this affects things. I don’t think that this is a matter of law that the ICC deals with.

        ICC members have ignored ICC arrest warrants before, so there’s some precedent; I remember that coming up with Putin.

        And as far as I know, the ICC isn’t the court that would deal with EU treaty violations, yes? It’s not an EU institution or Council of Europe institution.

        EDIT: And I see a list of LGBT cases here:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBTQ-related_cases_before_international_courts_and_quasi-judicial_bodies

        That includes cases under the European Court of Human Rights and under the Court of Justice of the European Union (which the European Court of Justice is part of).

        • huppakee@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          9·
          2 days ago

          I don’t know much about legal systems so your comments and sources are nice, but I haven’t really seen the EU having much influence on Orban so far while I feel they have had problems with a lot of stuff he did.

          • dzsimbo@lemm.eeEnglish
            4·
            2 days ago

            Get BMW, Audi & Mercedes to suspend activities. While the EU is still reaping the benefits of a worsening forint, it rings hollow that they wouldn’t have influence. Even closing the funds (tying it to rule of law) has had a positive effect, the regime seems to ve feeling it. It feels more and more that it’s all about the cashflow and sating interests.

            The problem is the people in the EU have as much control over this phenomenon as an average opposition voter in Hungary.