• Rivalarrival
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    3 hours ago

    If you aren’t LEO

    LEO total crime rate is only half that of general public, and five times that of concealed carriers. For certain acts (domestic violence) they are twice as likely to commit violent crime as the general public.

    Opening up NYCs and NJs concealed carry from “LEO-Only” to “Shall Issue” (Meaning: “Background checked members of the general public”) would improve the rates among concealed carriers in general.

    • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
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      2 hours ago

      No, it wouldn’t because aside from the police it’s pretty much the governor and some mayors. You will be seeing a bunch of people getting guns who previously would have been denied them. I promise you the cc permit carrier rate of crime will substantially increase as more carry concealed.

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        42 states have Shall Issue licensing. Only 8 states have “May Issue” laws, where the state exercises arbitrary discretion in licensing.

        In each and every one of those states, the violent crime rate of licensed carriers is substantially lower than that of the general public. In each and every one of those states, cops have a higher crime rate than carriers.

        So no, it’s not just “the governor and some mayors”. It’s the entire country.

        For your point to be rational, non-felon laypersons in New York and New Jersey would have to be substantially more criminal than carriers in 42 states.

        Your “promises” have no logical basis. Guns simply do not cause crime.