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On this mega I shall take the opportunity to rant about one of my favorite things: the Webnovel UNJUST DEPTHS!

Do you love transgenders?

Do you love communism?

Do you love queer romance?

Do you love killing fascists in a giant fucking mech?

Would a plotline with all of these things happening in a underwater retro-futuristic gundam setting intrigue you?

Especially if its actually really well written with good characters, rich worldbuilding, and a marxist leninist transfem author?

All of the answers should be: YES I DO or else I WILL BAN YOU

Since you obviously love all of those things then Unjust Depths is perfect for YOU yes YOU! It is DESTINY

The Imbrian Ocean is at a time of severe instability. The monarch of the vast Empire that spans its unjust depths (:3) is sick and nearing death, every territory of the ocean now vying to carve their own Destiny out of the chaos. From the Volk fascists pigmask-off , Zionists hamas-base (they literally will not die why are they still here oh my god), The ‘Anarchists’ (social chauvanists) lenin-dont-laugh in Bosporus, and the monarchs gui-trans of each vast noble domain, each vies for power and prestige no matter who they crush underfoot, but it would be a pretty depressing story without a bright light in the dark.

On the edge of the Empire sits the glorious Union! The (Soviet) Union soviet-chad is a socialist federation of three states (and one anarchist mountain left-unity-4 )that were formerly slave colonies under the Imbrian Empire until they broke away in a fierce liberation war. They have spent the last 20 years since then building themselves up. Whether they be Human bridget-disco , Shimmi kbity-how (Catgirls who usually follow a religion closely related to modern Islam), and Kattaran transshork-happy (a hybrid humanoid species with characteristics of sea life ranging from sharks to cuttlefish)building socialism side by side.

First lead under the revolutionary leader Dashka Kansal, then the Idealist Ahwalia who lead the country to near ruin in pursuit of building a utopia on pillars of sand, then under the scientific socialist three-heads-thinking leadership of the Grand Marshall of the Union, Bhavani Jayanskar (I love Jayanskar so much shes basically as if Stalin, Lenin, and Zhukov were rolled into the same person but was a black lesbian badass who wore the uniform REALLY WELL)(she aint the main character at all tho shes only in very few scenes i just love her so much). Under Jayanskar, the Union has been growing their economy to both eliminate hunger and give everyone a home chad-stalin , but also growing their military capabilities for the inevitable return of the Empire. The Union is alone, but with the people by its side nothing, not even Destiny, can snuff out true freedoms light. specter

As war wages between the Empire and Republic (basically underwater USA) once more over the lands between them, the facade begins to finally crack…

And a border conflict between the Empire and Union escalate, and the dreaded reconquest begins.

Amidst this turmoil, lives our main characters (yes there are multiple and all of them are lovely). Each of whom I personally love dearly, and are very well characterized. Many are soldiers of the Union, some are scientists, some are divers (mech pilots), some are lost strands finding new meaning after joining this band of Brigands

All are Communists steban

All serve the Union USSR

All would gladly give their lives to defending socialism comrade-stoic

but even they would have little inkling of the adventure set in store for them as the lands beneath the waves erupt in fire, fury, and revolt

Can these transgender badasses kick fascist ass?

Can they kiss? (oh my god please kiss ISTG THERE IS SO MUCH SHIPPING AHHHH ITS GLORIOUS)

FIND OUT HERE: https://unjustdepths.com/

please do or else I will pout incessantly

just try it pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase i need to talk to someone about it after Cromalin went AFK

(I miss her, she was a real one)

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  • rtstragedy [she/her]English
    3•17 hours ago

    damn i fucking live for posts like yours, let me get in there

    there's gonna be some brainworms discussion here

    Like it would be patriarchal to take that label for myself

    So, this was a reference to a moment I enjoyed from Orange Book, but it is honestly something I’ve felt. This is some Janice Raymond shit that I’ve internalized from being on the internet most of my life. I am working on this (which is why I’m reading Orange Book and why I enjoyed being accelerated so much), but it’s stubborn, and I do have this feeling of “invading women’s spaces” in changerooms etc. I simply do not go to women’s spaces.

    I was in the hospital a few years ago due to gallstones (ow btw), and I was in the ER at first, but eventually they moved me to a surgical ward, and I honestly did not know until I saw it on a form somewhere that this was a capital W Women’s space. I felt uncomfortable - I don’t belong here, I’m not a “real” woman, do they know I’m trans? Do I pass too well? Was the change in my forms too successful?!

    Everyone was very nice. And they all knew. It was meant to be gender affirming, and while I appreciated having my stated gender validated, and everyone was very very kind (I was emotional at a couple of bits because I was scared and they were so reassuring) I felt more at home in the ER where gender wasn’t a factor.

    Maybe I felt this because of brainworms. Maybe I felt this because I don’t really see myself as a capital W Woman. It’s hard to tease all of it apart.

    like, for myself, i wander between i guess woman, woman-adjacent, and agender/wtf-is-gender-stop-asking-me-weird-questions.

    Honestly, I’m not sure where I’m going to end up, but I think you’re really getting into the direction I’m leaning here:

    I guess to me its not an issue of being a woman, but rather an issue of performing womanhood coupled with being seen as a woman.

    This 100%. It’s hard to say I am “being” anything except me. What is being, anyway? All gender to me feels like a performance, I like acting a certain way, I like dressing a certain way, but that’s not a statement of being. My true self is kinda meek, my voice apparently sounds really fem (according to Partner) even when I’m not trying (I never try anymore), my mannerisms are “cute,” apparently. But that isn’t a statement of being, I just kinda fit the role of “woman” more naturally.

    Learning that agender people can still present fem has been a revelation. Maybe that’s where I’m leaning, due to all of this.

    Because its rooted in a class system concerned with perpetuating not just individuals but society, womanhood and manhood and any gender cannot exist in a vaccum or without being seen by others.

    Yeah, agree.

    Or I guess, it could be in the sense that one observes onesself? Like, thats what were doing when we apply labels to ourselves, were observing ourselves as we would another, just with the added benefit of knowing our internal states far better than anyone else could.

    huh… i’m not sure why that seems so weird to me. maybe this is just a me thing, i have trouble with labels without specific criteria. Autism? I can check off the boxes. ADHD? Literally diagnosed. Gender? I have to decide for myself, and the labels are fuzzy, and I get to just pick whatever.

    If I have to pick something, I will pick nothing, at least today, lol.

    But the performative nature of identity is supee important imo, and to me explains a lot of my thought and feeling about who&how I am.

    Yeah, that makes sense to me. I feel like my entire life has been a performance due to masking though, so right now I’m trying to go deeper and figure out what’s beneath. The core identity of me, if I’m being real, that’s beneath any concept of gender.

    we should rather (imo) speak of it in a non-stative or otherwise transient way.

    YES OMG THIS FR FR. I think this suits me better, “being” hurts my head. I’m “doing” woman at work (but more like “tomboy”), I’m “doing” non-binary femme online, I’m “doing” agender to my parents (this is a compromise for them), and sometimes I “do” ultra-femme at home. I never do anything on the male end anymore, but that’s just me.

    Gender fluidity can kind of be used this way, but because of our language its still spoken of in a stative manner, and using it in that way feels wrong, because its misappropriating a stative label to describe a nonstative experience.

    I was literally just about to say that I don’t really like the label “genderfluid” because it’s too restrictive, myself.

    reject markov chain interpretations of self, we cannot divide a person infinitely into a series of states, we are not a computer!

    speak for yourself i’m rewriting myself in Rust

    The missing part for me was that sex arises from gender, not the other way around.

    totally, good point!

    Like, imo we can re-sex ourselves.

    I Changed My Sex Last Year? (idk this reminded me of another post)

    For a binary example, a penis can be a deeply feminine sexual organ, a vagina can be likewise a deeply masculine sexual organ, depending on how we apply gender to it.

    yeah, I won’t get into this but I’m struggling with my born-in uh physical attributes at the moment as I plan for bottom surgery. How much is framing? How much is actual dysphoria? What if my particular discomfort is about the incongruity with the role I’m expected to play?

    idk really how to conclude this

    lol, just like me fr fr

    ill close by saying gender is fucky and we should roam free among the hills and plains of it, not be confined to penns and fenced in areas.

    agree, i don’t want to put whatever’s going on in here into a box anymore.

    • lilypad [she/her, undecided]English
      2•16 hours ago

      damn i fucking live for posts like yours

      lea-caramelldansen

      Alright my turn lol

      Re: orange book, i havent read it so I cant comment.

      invading womens spaces + your gallstone experience

      So, is it like specifically about womens spaces, or about the perhaps unneccessary gendering of spaces that gives you bad/weird feelings? Perhaps both?

      Fwiw i relate to that feeling, but for me its a preemptive thing, like im anticipating judgement and potential violence. I had a huge breakthrough for myself like a month ago when I used the womens bathroom at a big store with tons of people, i was just doing my business and I didnt feel like I belonged but I didnt feel like I didnt belong.

      The core identity of me

      To me, its not just gender thats a performance, but the entirety of identity. Theres a ton of performance that we dont exactly have control over. Like, the mind and self arent seperate from the body, its all one continuous thing, and every aspect of our identity is performance.

      To me, part of coming out, and breaking down my general performances, all of that wasnt supposed to result in not performing anything, but rather to get rid of the explicit and intentional performances that make me unhappy, that bring me sadness and pain, the ones that I do for others and not for myself.

      Even when Im alone, because Im self aware, I perform and am observed by myself, and it makes me happy/sad/etc. because of the way the identity performance is engrained into self-ness. Im both the observer and the observed. This is inherrent in our self awareness, without it we would be just impulse machines responding to stimuli (imo).

      YES OMG THIS FR FR. I think this suits me better, “being” hurts my head. I’m “doing” woman at work (but more like “tomboy”), I’m “doing” non-binary femme online, I’m “doing” agender to my parents (this is a compromise for them), and sometimes I “do” ultra-femme at home. I never do anything on the male end anymore, but that’s just me.

      Ok i really like this “doing” way you talk about it. Like, as stereotypical and ironically used as it is, the whole “its giving x” thing, when coupled with the usage of “doing” youve put forth here, really captures the idea of identity to me. Theres what one does, i.e. how one performs, intentionally or not. And then theres how that is recieved and interpreted by other parties, the “what its giving” aspect of it. These coupled together show the way identity exists in between observer and performer.

      speak for yourself i’m rewriting myself in Rust

      waow-based

      Like, imo we can re-sex ourselves.

      I Changed My Sex Last Year?

      I cant tell if this is supposed to be tongue in cheek? But if not, like, theres the aspect of changing our phenotype, yes, but im trying to get at that we can change our sex just by re-gendering our physical traits, and seeing them as feminine/masculine/etc. But also theres like the whole aspect of society at large not seeing that, and enforcing both implicitly and explicitly that such a re-gendering is wrong/unacceptable to our gender system.

      Thats not to invalidate physical dysphoria. Like, I know that my anatomy is wrong for me, theres a fundamental impedance mismatch between my mind and my genitals (and some other things). That we can re-gender our sexual traits doesnt make them physically congruent, just socially/relationally congruent.

      agree, i don’t want to put whatever’s going on in here into a box anymore.

      Time for an anti-box manifesto lea-finger-guns

      • rtstragedy [she/her]English
        3•15 hours ago
        spoiler

        Orange Book is very good so far. When I’m proper done with it I’ll be putting together a list of quotes that I liked into a post here. Maria’s inner monologue is me fr fr. Ash was right - it really is quasi-theory, disguised as narrative.

        So, is it like specifically about womens spaces, or about the perhaps unneccessary gendering of spaces that gives you bad/weird feelings? Perhaps both?

        I thought it was the former pre-accel, but now I think it’s actually both. I stress out a lot if I have to use a bathroom in a public place, I will just hold it until it’s painful, especially if other people are in there. Now that I’m more conscious that neither label really applies to me, I just want non-gendered bathrooms lol.

        Fwiw i relate to that feeling, but for me its a preemptive thing, like im anticipating judgement and potential violence. I had a huge breakthrough for myself like a month ago when I used the womens bathroom at a big store with tons of people, i was just doing my business and I didnt feel like I belonged but I didnt feel like I didnt belong.

        Oh congrats! But I feel this a bit too, hearing horror stories about how things are in certain places is definitely a factor. No one has actually given me trouble, but since I can’t take Safe Partner in with me, I just hold it till I get home. Non-gendered bathrooms would be perfect.

        To me, its not just gender thats a performance, but the entirety of identity. Theres a ton of performance that we dont exactly have control over. Like, the mind and self arent seperate from the body, its all one continuous thing, and every aspect of our identity is performance.

        damn, i’m gonna have to think on this one. Loads of autistic people I’ve heard stories from have said that once they started unmasking and unmasking, digging further and further, that they really just saw nothing at the bottom, and it prompted an existential crisis. This sounds similar to me - if you strip all the doing from yourself, perhaps there really is nothing else?

        To me, part of coming out, and breaking down my general performances, all of that wasnt supposed to result in not performing anything, but rather to get rid of the explicit and intentional performances that make me unhappy, that bring me sadness and pain, the ones that I do for others and not for myself.

        oh, even more relevant! yes, i think this is the Answer for unmasking as well.

        Even when Im alone, because Im self aware, I perform and am observed by myself, and it makes me happy/sad/etc. because of the way the identity performance is engrained into self-ness. Im both the observer and the observed. This is inherrent in our self awareness, without it we would be just impulse machines responding to stimuli (imo).

        me fr fr!!! damn, well put.

        Theres what one does, i.e. how one performs, intentionally or not. And then theres how that is recieved and interpreted by other parties, the “what its giving” aspect of it. These coupled together show the way identity exists in between observer and performer.

        wow, well put! absolutely. and I like the separation between “performance” and “interpretation,” I think that’s a key factor.

        for instance, I could be uptalking, and really what I’m giving off is uncertainty, but how it might be interpreted as is feminine.

        I cant tell if this is supposed to be tongue in cheek?

        oh sorry, i’m quoting a post Ash made a couple days who (in which I asked the exact same question you did about it lol), it’s about this post https://hexbear.net/post/2451070 .

        theres the aspect of changing our phenotype, yes, but im trying to get at that we can change our sex just by re-gendering our physical traits, and seeing them as feminine/masculine/etc.

        absolutely!! this is new to me but I love this, and actually what I was getting at with the comment, well put though.

        But also theres like the whole aspect of society at large not seeing that, and enforcing both implicitly and explicitly that such a re-gendering is wrong/unacceptable to our gender system.

        blech, this is less awesome

        Thats not to invalidate physical dysphoria. Like, I know that my anatomy is wrong for me, theres a fundamental impedance mismatch between my mind and my genitals (and some other things). That we can re-gender our sexual traits doesnt make them physically congruent, just socially/relationally congruent.

        I hear you, in my head i’m 3 inches shorts and 2 band sizes smaller, maybe this is why I am so clumsy. dysphoria is weird. and my anatomy is just like “oh that’s not what’s in my head… what an annoyance”

        • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]
          2•10 hours ago

          So, is it like specifically about womens spaces, or about the perhaps unneccessary gendering of spaces that gives you bad/weird feelings? Perhaps both?

          I thought it was the former pre-accel, but now I think it’s actually both. I stress out a lot if I have to use a bathroom in a public place, I will just hold it until it’s painful, especially if other people are in there. Now that I’m more conscious that neither label really applies to me, I just want non-gendered bathrooms lol.

          More non-gendered spaces would be rad. Only time I ended up in an explicitly women’s space (outside of small childhood), was when I had accidentally gotten on the bus in highschool when it was women’s turn to change. I didn’t even notice the mistake… subconscious brain didn’t think changing outerwear needed to be gendered nor did I notice that everyone else on the bus were girls. By the time someone pointed out I was there, it was too late to leave, so I just got an opaque bag over my head until they were done. I felt bad being there, but not because I thought I was out of place (even though I had no clue I was trans at the time), but because of the assumption that others would perceive me as a threat, which I thought fair given how a lot of guys sexually objectify girls.

          • rtstragedy [she/her]English
            2•9 hours ago

            I felt bad being there, but not because I thought I was out of place, but because of the assumption that others would perceive me as a threat

            damn yes, no matter how much rationalization as I can do about this, if I’m being honest, it still hurts deep down to be perceived as scary, a threat, etc. just because of a thing I had no control over.

        • lilypad [she/her, undecided]English
          3•14 hours ago
          spoiler

          Orange Book is very good so far. When I’m proper done with it I’ll be putting together a list of quotes that I liked into a post here. Maria’s inner monologue is me fr fr. Ash was right - it really is quasi-theory, disguised as narrative.

          Ok imma have to read this, quasi-theory disguised as narrative sounds right up my alley ^^

          just want non-gendered bathrooms

          Ugh seriously, nongendered bathrooms with a mirror sink and toilet, is that too much to ask!?

          once they started unmasking and unmasking, digging further and further, that they really just saw nothing at the bottom, and it prompted an existential crisis.

          niko-concern yeah I was in that crisis for like 2 or 3 years… I just tried to not think about it until recently…

          for instance, I could be uptalking, and really what I’m giving off is uncertainty, but how it might be interpreted as is feminine.

          Perfect example of what I was getting at!

          absolutely!! this is new to me but I love this, and actually what I was getting at with the comment, well put though.

          Ah gotcha i was just misunderstanding ^^

          blech, this is less awesome

          yea the gender superstructure fucking sucks doesnt it… The accelerator talked a little about enforcement through SV, but implicit enforcement is in our language, built into our cultural norms, its everywhere and I hate it. Its one of the driving factors in my seperatist impulses, which want to go build a queer cob commune somewhere.

          I hear you, in my head i’m 3 inches shorts and 2 band sizes smaller, maybe this is why I am so clumsy. dysphoria is weird. and my anatomy is just like “oh that’s not what’s in my head… what an annoyance”

          Ugh this is so real. Havent felt comfy in my height since I started really growing… My mental map of my body is just different than how my body is.

          • rtstragedy [she/her]English
            3•10 hours ago
            spoiler

            Ok imma have to read this, quasi-theory disguised as narrative sounds right up my alley ^^

            i like it, my plan tonight is to get through a bunch of it ALSO NO WORK TOMORROW WOOOOO

            Ugh seriously, nongendered bathrooms with a mirror sink and toilet, is that too much to ask!?

            100%

            yeah I was in that crisis for like 2 or 3 years… I just tried to not think about it until recently…

            oof, that’s a long time. did you ever resolve it?

            the gender superstructure fucking sucks doesnt it… The accelerator talked a little about enforcement through SV, but implicit enforcement is in our language, built into our cultural norms, its everywhere and I hate it.

            i agree, it really is everywhere. its kinda eh, i used to feel affirmed by gendered language, not sure anymore. just get me out of this binary lol

            Havent felt comfy in my height since I started really growing… My mental map of my body is just different than how my body is.

            this is it, but it’s not even just gender. its like a part of my expects me to have more of the shape and height of my mom, it’s not even like sadness, just … well, surprising, when i see myself in the mirror. dysphoric, lol

            • lilypad [she/her, undecided]English
              2•8 hours ago

              NO WORK TOMORROW

              lets-fucking-go

              did you ever resolve it?

              Eh kind of? I slip in and out of resolution, but the idea of identity being performance really helpedr resolve everything for me. Cause I was ripping out every performance, only to find another performance underneath, and sometimes one I thought I had excised already. So it was this horrible black hole of lack-of-self that I couldnt escape.

              i agree, it really is everywhere. its kinda eh, i used to feel affirmed by gendered language, not sure anymore. just get me out of this binary lol

              This one is so weird for me, cause on the one hand I want the binary to be gone, but im also like, idek how to describe my gender but its like adjacent to binary woman, and im comfy, or comfy enough, in binary womanhood. So I feel affirmed by gendered language and kind of love it, but also hate that it exists, all at the same time lea-breakdown

              like a part of my expects me to have more of the shape and height of my mom, it’s not even like sadness, just … well, surprising, when i see myself in the mirror. dysphoric, lol

              denji-just-like-me just like me fr fr

              • rtstragedy [she/her]English
                2•5 hours ago

                I slip in and out of resolution, but the idea of identity being performance really helpedr resolve everything for me.

                I feel that first part, for sure.

                So it was this horrible black hole of lack-of-self that I couldnt escape.

                Hmm, thinking about it more, I’m not sure I’m here yet. Maybe check in in a week, lol.

                its like adjacent to binary woman, and im comfy, or comfy enough, in binary womanhood. So I feel affirmed by gendered language and kind of love it, but also hate that it exists, all at the same time

                Nice, I mean I can only really speak for myself, honestly, but if you are happy with gendered language, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with just enjoying it, if you can. I don’t have a real theoretical basis for that, just think you should enjoy the things you like.

                • lilypad [she/her, undecided]English
                  1•4 hours ago

                  don’t have a real theoretical basis for that, just think you should enjoy the things you like.

                  So, i probably could have phrased my statement better, and like yes i agree with you, but also within the broader context of society, the way language shapes us and our thoughts, i really do think the world would be better with a neutral-by-default language custom. Like, we dont have to abolish gendered language ig, just, we shouldnt apply it by default. Idk, my initial statement was a little dramatic i guess, and those feelings are fuelled by my not wanting to be in that box of womanhood. Like, I want to be in the area of womanhood, but not have walls around it, and the way gendered language is used in modern english often feels like walls. Idk how to describe it its not a well thought out thing, sorry.

                  Maybe check in in a week, lol.

                  Ill try to remember lol

                  • rtstragedy [she/her]English
                    2•4 hours ago

                    I think I follow for the most part, actually?

                    also within the broader context of society, the way language shapes us and our thoughts, i really do think the world would be better with a neutral-by-default language custom.

                    I think you’re saying here that the binary is reinforced by our speech,

                    those feelings are fuelled by my not wanting to be in that box of womanhood.

                    and that it feels constricting.

                    Like, we dont have to abolish gendered language ig, just, we shouldnt apply it by default.

                    Yeah, I was doing a work thing yesterday for localization and I noticed that Google Translate now has “masculine” and “feminine” options for nouns. I’m at least glad English doesn’t have that, but I kind of agree with a neutral-first language.

                    Maybe this is a bit of an aside, but when I’ve appreciated gendered language in the past, there’s definitely been an element that was me enjoying it because people saw me as the gender I identified as. I’ve never told anyone my pronouns before this site. What was I feeling? Was I enjoying the feeling of passing privilege? That’s kind of a scary thought… I’m still trying to figure this out too, might be time for me to sleep on it. Have a good night!