• talEnglish
    2·
    3 months ago

    Yeah, that does seem kind of unreasonable for Fresno. I mean, not that I think that there isn’t grounds to complain about the Bay Area being where it is either, but I get your point. Hits hard.

    I’m not gonna ask whether you qualify, doesn’t matter for the standpoint of this discussion, but if you’re not aware, California has been pretty gung-ho on some low-income household utility subsidy programs; some of those have gone through recently. If you do qualify, hope that might help.

    https://fresnoland.org/2024/03/29/financial-assistance/

    • mesamune@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      That program is closed now unfortunately. So many people tried to jump on that it was quickly overwhelmed from what I saw on the news.

      I agree, its unfair for the bay AND the central valley. Given that PGE has had record profits year after year lately doesn’t make me feel any better…

      At this point im getting solar out of spite.

      • talEnglish
        2·
        3 months ago

        At this point im getting solar out of spite.

        Aight, and seems like a legit thing to look into, but I’d run the numbers on 'em first. Especially given that they’ve got the grid connection fee coming or present, it will make solar less-favorable than it had been in some recent years, and a lot of companies went up to homeowners and told 'em “I’ve got a great investment for you” that didn’t always turn out to be quite as good an idea as some people hoped.

        • You’ve got the time value of money. So if you’re buying a ton of hardware up front, that’s money that’s either you aren’t earning a return on or money that you’re borrowing and paying interest for.

        • The panels and batteries do not last forever. You’re getting N years of service out of them, even if nothing breaks.

        You might also want to price insulation costs of various things on your place. Like, that may provide a better return. I don’t know the numbers, but windows, weatherstripping, attic, etc.

        EDIT: One other option, since Fresno’s pretty arid too – you might also look at evaporative coolers, aka swamp coolers. More maintenance than air conditioning, but about an eighth the energy consumption for a given amount of cooling, can keep windows open and fresh air coming through. I have a portable evaporative cooler that I keep by my desk that works nicely unless the temperature is really exceptionally high.

        • mesamune@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          4·
          3 months ago

          You are absolutely right. ill be looking at the numbers. But with 50c+ per kilowatt…its going to be hard NOT to make my money back.

          • jqubed@lemmy.world
            3·
            3 months ago

            At 50¢/kWh even adding batteries and trying to be as disconnected as (legally) possible from the grid might pay for itself!

          • Serinus@lemmy.world
            2·
            3 months ago

            I’m probably doing solar in spring, and I’m paying 20 cents per kwh. It’s about a 13 year breakeven time, but that works for my circumstances. I plan to be here for awhile, my roof faces the right way, and it’s a reasonable diversification of investment.

            I’ll still have some dependence on the grid, especially in winter. Might pull from the grid in some early morning hours, but net metering credits should pay for that.

            I consider the rising price of electricity and the capital gains from an index funds roughly a wash. It’s not, but I also don’t want 100% of my investments in the stock market, and it’s nice to do something responsible for the world.

            So make sure to do your whole installation in one year. You only get to claim the 30% federal tax credit once. So don’t go small with a plan to go bigger later. I couldn’t do this without the federal credit.