Did i say that? Did I say hamas and israel didn’t exist until October 7? Did israel respond to October 7? Is October 7 relevant to anything concerning this discourse? Hmmm

It’s more complex than simply stating warcrimes are happening. One side is codifying genocide as their main goal https://embassies.gov.il/holysee/AboutIsrael/the-middle-east/Pages/The Hamas-Covenant.aspx and killed over 1000 people on Oct 7.

I understand why israel would want to completely destroy an entity like that. The problem is, as you say, israel is completely disregarding citizen casualties.

Yet, the rhetoric of the above is; democrats are bad. And hamas is to be supported. Why did the leap go to that as the conclusion? I promise you, Trump doesn’t care about the brown people in the middle east.

You do realize that trump put 3 Supreme Court justices and flipped the court right?? Do trump supporters just not understand cause and effect?

I guarantee you that trump isn’t going to save the brown people in the middle east. We don’t have to compare it to ice cream then. How about voting between killing brown people vs killing brown people, subjugation women, and taking from the working class to give to our oligarchs. Does that help make it clearer?

The point is not voting helps the second result move along

Exactly this. I’ve been calling them the “burn it down” group. It’s not a fun ideology… sure they don’t have a lot of power today, but that’s how these things work. If they have power it’s too late. It’s worth knowing that this is a growing movement with real people. They are my cousins, coworkers and a few of my friends lol. Not just a social media rhetoric or scare tactic.

I do know some, maybe it’s because I live in a university town. I think you were interested in today’s far left, and those are the ones I’ve been frustrated with.

To a lesser amount, I also know one or two people who identify as communist. The best quote from them was, maybe if trump were to be president, then we would finally collapse the global economy so then every one would start over.

It does stem from a feeling that the current system is too broken to fix. They are valid feelings and I can only presume our lack of progress is because the Republicans have always had so much power paired with general concept that change is a slow process. But these people are tired of waiting and hoping for drastic change.

I think both extremes may have different reasons but the same outcome.

For the anti intellectualism on the left, it stems from real issues like the Henrietta Lacks and relation with race, and generally more that is talked about with critical race theory. Fwiw it is all important to address, but there is a strong contingent that generalizes it too far and will distrust all of medicine, science, education, and academic research.

I also know a lot of far left people who would refuse to vote for Bernie because he was white male

I think the anti-vax movement started from far left. Wanting to be so close to nature and protecting the body.

Also anti intellectualism, where science embodies the establishment that oppresses us.

These are very real things that the far left made impacts.

But the far right loves these too now, they just co opted them.

In general sports communities seem to be less active here in lemmy. Soccer has been okay but the other sports less so.