Venat [he/him, any]

Good on the name changes and the intent behind the change of content, but this presumes that the user base uses this site for education on political theory and understanding and executing political activism, and not a refuge for levity and catharsis.

I didn’t really engage in those forums, and I think the existence of those communities did diminish the content and cathartic, insightful, and resolutions that insight can provide. r/chapotraphouse had those types of posts. But things have changed. Since those days where people , young people especially, needed levity and perspective, now there is only a future of impotent rage and alienation where we pursue our philosophies more so as an affirmation of our humanity than hopes that we can succeed in creating change or even a better future.

I made a post about a year go “you used to post better” under a different account, Zodiark, and was told by the users of this site that the megathreads had become the heart and soul of the website, and the rest of the forums and communities were meant to drive user engagement and for levity.

I think the frustration in this thread is that there is a genuine struggle to formulate thoughts, insights, catharses, preparations, and analyses outside of memetic format or recycled axioms, truisms, and insider knowledge. Trying to divine this knowledge from the internet is definitely not the answer. Outside of also reading, a lived experience of being an activist should inform your world view.

Speaking of socialism’s resurgence in the West, it’s been 9 years since Bernie rehabilitating socialism as a concept, Trump’s candidacy, and Obama’s presidency of liberal failure.

The insight gained there has stalled, and no one has really written What is to be done because what is to be done is the same as ever: educate, agitate, organize, blockade, strike, protest, obstruct, and build community. And since the state knows this too, the state then disrupts all of those efforts to delay a meaningful counter balance. Everyone’s set two steps behind as soon as they start.

So we post here, in the rebranded shitliberalssay forums, to ask ourselves how to cope in a reality where evil is living, dynamic, adaptive, and omnipresent.

Thanks for telling me. Godspeed to him then.

welcome back! o/

I understand that UT left, but was it the election result that prompted his departure?

I hope to see them in another incarnation in a year or so, but respect his decision to derive perspective and connection with the verdant flora of reality.

There was a youtube link in my recommendations about the beginning of the disintegration of Israel, by Ilan Pappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkbhEzwd-8

How plausible is his argument? He seems rather certain.

I don’t know, that thread looks like ignorance being replaced by knowledge and context; it looks like deprograming of past propaganda despite any detractors using the old messaging, cliches, slogans, and talking points. The discussion there genuinely seems to be earnest and unindulgent of Zionism and its talking points, with corrective information and argument dispelling the impressions people once had about Israel and Zionism.

I think this marks a turning point where people no longer regard Israel as sacred, and are beginning to see - and entirely due to Israel’s own open, brazen, and genocidal actions and rhetoric following October 7th 2023 - Israel as what it is as defined by its own actions, and not its impression.

Isn’t that the state though? The state is the avatar, the apparatus, the tool and apparatus of the dominant political class of a given polity. It doesn’t necessarily need to be a government position, agency, or NGO/NPO connected thereof.

I think it was when they were covering the DNC? It was fairly recent. I cna’t recall the exact episode, but one of those DNC coverage episodes.

Brace talks about it briefly; he just says that Americans are exhausted from actually engaging in politics and that’s just not where they were. He was dryly describing a situation rather than lamenting it or admonishing Americans for their apathy and resignation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfVqEFIPFoc

A nostalgia for the year 2014:

I disagree. It isn’t effective propaganda but a quick slogan to dismiss criticism. If its not Russian disinformation, it’d be “conservative propaganda” or performative and ceremonial politics like it was during the Obama administration. The heart of the sentiment is indifference and annoyance.

In other words, “don’t make me think about politics”. Brace Belden mentioned this in a True anon episode a month ago, and a recent post on the_dredge_tank linked a redditor who echoed the same sentiment (despite working in politics and having a PhD thereof).

A sentiment articulated in that Red Sails article about propaganda, or how Morris Berman - an academic who describes the US - says that the “wool isn’t over American eyes, but they are the eyes”; which means American culture makes Americans inherently delusional and prone to refute any challenge to it. Americans have been under such cultural hypnosis likely as long as the post-independence period from Britain.

These generations of Americans want to believe in their idealized version of it to the detriment of everyone else, including themselves, because they themselves have it pretty good. Their material conditions do not prompt them to question the American civic religion.

Militarised citizenry

Isn’t that just the police now. I think they’re classified as civil servants too, not professional soldiers.

Atem

Did you see that r/trueanon post too

I understand your posts on this thread seem to underlie the assertion that the existence of a Palestinian people and their aspirations of agency, self-determination, and aegis of defense against oppression, apartheid, and genocide are an existential threat to the Jewish people.

A lie meant to dehumanize Palestinians and enable and encourage Israeli Jews to pursue genocide, which itself is a deformation of what Judaism itself stands for.

Your account is obviously a troll account, but I just wanted to point out not only your depravity but to the extent Zionism is so inherently heretical and deforming of Judaism. When people say Zionism is anti-Semitic, here it is.

I suppose sometimes elaboration is something I seek in Hexbear comments and posts. Otherwise we talk in cliches and phrases rather than elaborated thoughts; though my experience may not be the empirical reality of genuine intellectual exchange, understanding, and catharsis here on this site.

As in this example, liberals tend to present the trolley problem but we already know that these groups are slated for danger and disintegration because the ruling class has decided this to be normal. The trolley is multi-track drifting, the rails converge and destroy those groups inevitably and the only remedy is to stop the momentum of the train.

I was referring to the axiom and common knowledge being relied on to communicate with one another, the way friends or colleagues with similar politics and world views use short cut phrases and conversation to recycle and communicate interpretations and understandings of history and current events.

So to an outsider it comes off as vague and esoteric, even to those who come in good faith, or share our politics but are unfamiliar with the culture. In other words, my experience on some posts is the same phenomenon of trying to interpret a Blackmoldfuture post; an opening statement that looks like it belongs in the middle of an essay or conversation.

The problem isn’t our “dialogue” the problem is that we’re latched to the hip with a dollar store version of 4chan made up of uniquely uneducated people who thought post-2020 reddit was too “woke”, and we as a forum have a bad case of denial about it, because frankly it’s a little embarrassing in terms of association

Yeah, that’s a better way to put it. I was trying to be diplomatic but the topic at hand is too far severe to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

A large flaw in Hexbear’s dialogue is that it does not regard outsiders ignorance. Hexbear is mostly an insider group where established axioms and knowledge are shared as common knowledge, and therefore not entirely elaborated. It isn’t a substitute for dialogue, but becomes an echo chamber - fine in its own right - and stifles understanding of right and wrong to “vibes”.

We should know, intellectually and not only emotionally, why your assumption and the human rights attorney’s assumption are flawed.

Your assumption should lead to a question rather than a definitive conclusion. The question should be : How do persecuted groups in the US going to suffer under Biden & Harris?

Of course, the entire premise is that voting is the most important and sometimes sole act of political agency that can actually change the politics of the state. Ask yourself, is that true? Has not foreign and domestic policy remained consistent among administrations and Congresses in its degradation of quality of American life for the past 50 years?

Yeahhh…no…yeah… it’s-it’s like when you find a date on -intense clicking noises in the background - tinder but your car dealership has stopped selling parts for the Metal Gear, but it’s like we’re all children now and neoliberalism has turned us into babi- deeep vaping noises - and this is what DemoniusX has in mind for our future! it rules! it’s awesome! I love this Re Dwah of the Bush Era! I’ll use Gee-Aw-Sit-Tees to book us a hotel.

noo. :(

Sorry didn’t mean to be paternalistic/patronizing or weird I just really don’t like Chapo anymore/grew out of it