Disturbing reports continue to emerge about mass graves in Gaza in which Palestinian victims were reportedly found stripped naked with their hands tied, prompting renewed concerns about possible war crimes amid ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the UN human rights office, OHCHR, said on Tuesday.
Settlers are occupiers and therefore, not civilians.
Including people who didn’t really decide on where to live, like their children?
Well that’s an interesting moral line in the sand to draw in this case.
https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/six-wars-old/
I think wanting to avoid innocent civilian deaths is a moral line that is valid for both sides.
While I agree with that, it doesn’t feel like your question to the other commenter carries quite the weight in this specific context as it might in others given that neither side has been clean about this, and it’s not the Palestinian side that has intentionally blown up a playground within the past week.
I do generally think it’s hard to equate the two fairly in this context, given the power differential between the two forces and their relative capabilities to be discerning if they so chose.
I apologize if I misunderstood you, but there is no both sides here. The united nations recognizes the right to armed struggle against occupation.
https://www.cjpme.org/fs_236/
It even mentions the Palestinian struggle explicitly.
Adults who were born in Israel, yes, children, no, but your handwringing is funny, since dead Israeli toddlers are purely hypothetical, and you clearly give no fucks about dead Palestinian babies.
Stick your hand in a blender and turn it on.
I do. Mentioning civilian victims on Israeli an side doesn’t mean I don’t care about civilian victims on Palestinian side, this point was simply already covered largely.
Also please refrain from personal attacks and other violence threats.
You: actively defending genocide
Also you: PLZ NO PERSONAL ATTACKS CIVILITY IS IMPORTANT
No, I am not defending the war crimes of Israeli army nor the ones of Hamas. Just read what I wrote, there’s no more to imagine.
You’re pointing out the crimes of the victims rather than the oppressors. That’s defense of the oppressors no matter how many mental backflips you do to pretend it’s not
And aren’t you pretending that some of the victims haven’t committed acts of terrorism?
I’ve never seen such mental gymnastics used to defend a group of terrorists. And if you think I’m comparing Hamas to the Palestinian people then you are just as much to blame as the guy you are arguing with.
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What my comrades said, and also, stick your other hand in the blender too
That’s a pretty serious claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
I find different sources saying about 30 children were murdered, but given that some bodies were mutilated or burnt the counts are not obvious. https://www.factcheck.org/2023/11/dozens-of-children-died-in-hamas-oct-7-attack-on-israel-contrary-to-online-claim/
Killed by who?
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
I’m aware that some of the hostages that were taken were children. All accounts suggest that they were treated well, for hostages anyway. Its important to recognize that the Zionist regime keeps thousands upon thousands of Palestinian hostages, many of which are children. The Zionists could have negotiated an exchange, ensuring the safe return of all Israeli hostages. Instead, they decided to bomb the living shit out of Gaza, pretty much ensuring their demise.
Yasmin Porat also discusses how they were used as human shields by Hamas. And other survivors have talked about the rape and murder by both Hamas and civilians.
If you trust Yasmin Porat’s words, then by that same logic, the other women telling us that Hamas is raping and murdering hostages are telling the truth and the UN is complicit in pretending otherwise.
One cannot prove a negative. If you have evidence for your claims, then by all means feel free to provide it. Fwiw, the intercept has already done a fairly thorough debunking of the sexual violence claims made popular by the New York Times. The reporter had no credentials and the evidence provided turned out to be false.
https://archive.ph/dwzue
If you think Hamas is the only group that doesn’t commit rape and sexual assault during war then you are either delusional or purposely ignoring reality. I’m not sure which is more sad.
But here is a press release from the UN from just last month: https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm
A few dozen top news stories, none of them NYT, about Hamas most likely committing sexual assaults and rape… vs your one Intercept article.
Also, keep in mind, rape survivors may not discuss sexual assault for years due to trauma.
Typical lib brain. Always projecting the way that you feel you would behave in a situation on others. Gtfo with your disgusting war rape fantasies. There’s a huge difference between an occupying imperialist army and a liberation one. Everything that the Zionists report is a lie. The death numbers reported by the health workers can’t be trusted, yet we know that they’re accurate if not underreported. The IDF is the most moral army and would never commit any war crimes, yet we know that they’re committing war crimes daily, this has been established by the ICJ.
This isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan. We live in a digitally connected world now and the war crimes can be seen everywhere. If this doesn’t radicalize you against the Zionist regime, then you’re a fascist.
This is fake and discredited
It’s tragic, but that’s what happens when your state primarily defends itself with human shields.
Which state are you talking about?
Palestine is a country, not a state.
In my main language those are often confused, so let me rephrase, which country?
Israel is a state, not a country.
No, I’m pretty sure Israel is a country.
Why would there be Israeli children inside places like the West Bank or Gaza?
Because they were reborn there or moved by their parents.
Why would an Israeli family be living in the West Bank or Gaza? And who would be more likely to be killing their children, Israeli occupation forces or Palestinian resistance to the occupation forces?
I’m going with whichever is siding with Hamas since they teach their children that martyrdom is the greatest thing they could achieve.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=illF1vt5g1Q
Between the starvation, contaminated water, lack of medical care, and indiscriminate IDF bombings, a large portion of Palestinians are going to become martyrs whether they want to or not. I don’t blame Hamas for helping the children feel better about the reality of their situation.
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