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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
Esperanto-pushing F-droid forum poster goes ballistic when maintainer explains the language canāt be added:
(via this 404 media post)
I honestly did not know there were axe-crazy Esperanto fans online.
Oh, there are always those.
These kind of speakers can be found also offline. Itās funny they are the result on one hand of the fondness to our little language and the reactions towards it by speakers of other languages. Esperanto gets a shitload of bad reputation and the resistance to it then creates such personalities.
In some sense they rightfully act like they act.
Funny that this thread re-appeared during the xz āscandalā. I had a little bit of fun regarding it, when it initially appeared in the f-droid forum.
Yeah I mean I shouldnāt be surprised really. Iām more surprised it took me so long to realize they were around. If nothing else Esperanto seems to have been losing mindshare to other conlangs like Toki Pona.
klingon still the all time fave
āKlingon Speakers Now Outnumber Navajo Speakersā (The Onion, 1999)
I donāt know if it really is losing mindshare. Toki Pona is really popular among a very loud minority.
On one hand these people just may be learning it, because itās an interesting conlang, nothing against that. Learn whatever language you like.
Then the loud part of the Toki Pona community learn it partially because they think itās morally superior to other eurocentric conlangs like Esperanto. And those will eagerly say to you, that Toki Pona is the best language ever. So maybe is the perception that Esperanto is losing mindshare, because of Toki Pona, just a result of working propaganda by that very loud minority.
Esperanto is also in general not a very popular language, as its normally compared to English for its audacity to become a lingua franca. Still, to my knowledge itās still the largest constructed language community. Toki Pona or other languages need to get to that level of sophistication which Esperanto already aquired during 136 years of its existence.
I could barely learn a 3rd language (French) so the idea of trying to learn one more is daunting, even if Esperanto is designed to be easy to learn.
Even that would people contest. For me it was easier to learn and I think there things in the language, which make it easier to learn. BUT that idea that itās truly universal āeasierā is often criticized and doubted. Which leaves me with a disappointing āmaybeā with a slight tilt to āitās easierā, so āmaybe itās easier?ā.
If we keep in the idea set of how Esperanto came about, then the idea was to learn two to three languages and be a world citizen afterwards. Two languages, because that would be your mother tongue and Esperanto and for three languages that would be your mother tongue, the language of your region like for cultural heritage reasons and Esperanto to be a world citizen.
I learnt Esperanto after i learnt English in school. Itās my third language and I belong to those who got afterwards more confident, that I could acquire another language by myself. So for some people itās easier to learn and it brings them then the confidence, that when they find motivation to learn a specific new language, that they could do that.
I myself am still stuck with three languages, because I did not had a strong motivation to learn an additional language. There are too much languages and there are too much conflicting incentives to learn one over another. Wanna understand China? Learn Mandarin! Learn one of the other big languages in the world for financial progress! Then learn Spanish! Be supportive of the deaf community! Then learn one of the many dialects of sign language!
that 404 media link is gonna be so handy to keep in my back pocket for when the worst people I know in open source inevitably start pushing back against the idea that the toxic ecosystems they created are a gigantic source of problems