• AOCapitulator [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    6 months ago

    realtalk tho what the fuck are they doin in the second movie with the changes they made that actually mattered, stilgar is a fanatic, chaney is jealous and petulant, they cut out 2 years and paul’s first child, as well as the birth of his sister, very weird stuff

    • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      6 months ago

      Stilgar is supposed to become a fanatic, it’s a very impactful line in the book:

      “In that instant, Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it.”

      I haven’t seen the second movie (don’t know that I will,) they just have him like that from the jump?

      • Beaver [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Yeah, it’s one of the worst changes from the book - Stilgar is a believer from the beginning, and is even described by other Fremen as being kind of a religious fanatic who sees prophecy everywhere. It’s an unfortunate change, as this was one of the most important themes in the book, the way that fanaticism debases people.

        It’s a bummer that Stilgar doesn’t go on that journey in thia film, especially consider how much it beats us on the head that the prophecy is a cynical manipulation.

        • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          That’s so lame, many of Paul’s fever-dreams are agonizing over this exact thing, the transformative impact of the Jihad and seeing it ripple through culture and history. The other changes AOCapitulator mentioned are pretty bad/annoying, but I am really not a fan of this one.