It’s probably been 15 years since I’ve used Linux and Mint seems to be the recommended distro for people who aren’t all that familiar with Linux like me, but I didn’t know if there was anything I should know with this ThinkPad model that anyone is familiar with. My searching around shows people saying everything from it was painless to install to they had tons of issues and I have no idea how common either one is.
So any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
congrats on your foray into linuxland. its possibly one of the better decisions you can make for yourself. mint is a great way to start because its reasonably well polished and the UI is familiar. issues usually arise from extremely old (and likely broken) hardware or from bleeding edge hardware that does not yet have support.
as others have said, things are likely to work pretty well right from the get-go, but, in the event of an issue, you have support! :-)
Thanks!
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Yeah. Plex will do exactly what it sounds like you are wanting to do.
I know plex and I have used it for an year. But I access files on my computer using my mobile without any app. Is that possible with linux?
Yes you can access Windows shares directly and play the media from there with no issues. I do it all the time.
Thinkpads are great for running Linux, but one thing I’ve noticed is
thinkfanis not installed by any distro I’ve tried. You definitely want that, or your laptop’s fan isn’t going to work - that will lead to performance issues or potentially damage your laptopThank you, that is vital!
My T470 worked just fine without
thinkfaninstalled. Is that just something model-specific?It’ll work, but the fan won’t speed up when the CPU is hot.
I have a T480 with Mint and everything worked with zero hassle. Just installed it and started working.
Awesome, just what I wanted to hear. Thank you!
I’d say it probably works out of the box.
I usually have a look at thinkwiki and the arch wiki. Since they don’t have dedicated guides for this model, it usually means it’s not supported at all and no one even tried, or it’s a smooth ride and there just are no issues. Since it’s not a niche product, I’d say it’s the latter. And it’s an older model without extravagant hardware… it should work fine.
Since they don’t have dedicated guides for this model, it usually means it’s not supported at all and no one even tried, or it’s a smooth ride and there just are no issues.
I feel like if someone went through hell trying to install Linux on some obscure hardware there would be something online. I think the safe bet a majority of the time that it just hasn’t been documented yet.
Hmm, I mean there is also publication bias. You’re more likely to edit a Wiki page if you found a solution… But you’re also likely to rant and ask for questions if it’s really bad… There is a bit in the middle where it doesn’t work that well. What I find super annoying if I find my question already posted 2 years ago and there isn’t a solution posted underneath. That means someone either got it working and didn’t update their post… or they moved on and it’s impossible. But you’re right, this really mostly happens to obscure and niche problems. Not if it’s a ThinkPad or Dell laptop midel that has already sold millions of times. But somewhat likely if it’s a newer high-end gaming mainboard or niche server that isn’t common amongst the Linux-folks.
Great to hear, thanks!
I read the other good advice with the firmware (UEFI) update. If there’s still Windows on it, maybe run Lenovo Vantage and let it update the firmware.
Windows 10 is on it. I’ll do that first, thanks!
lenovo is also one of the companies that provides packaged firmware updates to the linux fwupd project, so you should be able to maintain firmware updatesfrom linux in the future.
Oh that’s a nice project for them to participate in!
That is great to hear.
I have a T450, I’m dual booting Windows 10 and Ubuntu (…I know, I know, I’m just too lazy to swap) on it and it works great, I get better performance on Ubuntu than I do on Windows. The fans worked oob.
Thanks. Good to hear! I’m glad the other person mentioned the fans just in case though.
I’m with you.
I sort of petered out distro-hoping 10-ish years ago, I’ve just used boring old Ubuntu LTS ever since. All the Unity/Gnome/KDE, Snap/Flatpak and systemd stuff I’ve successfully ignored.
I have no doubt that there are “better” distros out there, but Ubuntu works.
Don’t be afraid to distro hop. If Mint doesn’t feel right for you, then try another distro. Also try different desktop environments if you can. Mint uses Cinnamon, but there are also kde plasma, gnome, xfce and many others to try. Who knows, maybe you like one of them more.
I ended up on mint myself, and am happy enough with it but definitely want to get into Wayland so I can use waydroid. I haven’t started digging too deeply yet so apologies if I could find this out in a moment of searching. But kde plasma can install on mint? Anyone know how well it works?
You should be able to install multiple desktop environments and select which one to use on the login screen. It’s pretty straightforward and there are many tutorial on how to do that such as this one: https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-kde-plasma-on-linux-mint/
Much appreciated. I will definitely not give up if I don’t like Mint. But since it seems to be a good intro distro, it seems like a good way to start.
You’ll probably fine
Go ahead and be happy
Thanks. I hope so, but since there were people who seemed to have some issues when I was searching around (someone was claiming there was a brightness issue they couldn’t solve, for example), I just want to make sure there isn’t anything specific for the T460- or that line in general- that I need to make sure is configured in some unusual way.
I run mint on a T460s and it works like a charm.
Great, thanks!
IMHO there’s no other way to know that something works that trying it by yourself. I honestly don’t believe that there’s some kind of specific problem with that model that will not let you use Linux on it, maybe some kind of BIOS/UEFI lock but that’s usually easy to unlock.
Maybe if you really want to be sure that it works, you can try using Mint from Live Mode (Booting directly from the pendrive without installing the OS) before purchasing it.
It’s less a ‘won’t run Linux’ and more ‘configure it this way or you’ll have problems’ worry, but it sounds like it should be okay from what others have said.
Does it have dual batteries? My t470s does a hard shutdown instead of switching battery source when the first battery is empty sometimes. It’s an old bug and I think the consensus is that no one is really sure why.
Yes, it does have two batteries. That kind of sucks. But I don’t need all-day battery life, so hopefully that won’t be a huge issue.
Hopefully you won’t get bitten by this bug. It seems like a combination of Lenovo firmware, upower, and the DE.
I hope not, but if it is an issue, it doesn’t sound like it will be a huge one most of the time at least.
Is your internal battery dead? I’ve never seen such problems with dual battery Thinkpads.
No, both work, it’s the switching over that often does a hard shutdown.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/upower/upower/-/issues/62
I’m using the latest Lenovo firmware and have the same issue in any Linux version I’ve tried. Bad luck I guess, but I’m out of ideas.
I can’t speak for the T460, but I have a T480 with dual batteries and battery swapping works just fine. With a bit of tinkering I was even able to get the fingerprint sensor to work as well
Much like my searching, it seems like it’s all over the map in terms of experiences, although in general, it seems like the issues people have encountered are minor.
Fwiw I never had a problem hotswapping batteries out
Yes - you’ll be well-served by the ThinkPad line in general. My first permanently dedicated Linux machine was a T430 and true to form things largely “just worked.”
That was enough years ago that I might well have needed to seed the network drivers on the usb key, and that was the worst of it.
They’re tanks, and the hw is generally easy and fairly intuitive to swap out the usual memory and HDD.
IIRC my first distro on that was Debian, had plenty of docs about the intersection of the distro and ThinkPad line.
Mint should be perfectly fine given that.
I will say that I try not to do fresh installs on unfamiliar hardware w/o some other available form of connectivity, my phone mostly is quite sufficient for the purpose. It’s just easier not to risk putting myself in a difficult position in the first place.
You’re in for some fun.
Awesome, thanks!
ThinkPads generally have great Linux support because they’re really popular in the community.
One thing though, forget about the fingerprint reader. You can get it to work with some effort, but it’s essentially useless because it’s not integrated like on win/mac.
Mint is a good choice for beginners (IMO MX > Mint). Just remember to use flatpaks for software you want to keep up to date. Also, if you end up disliking cinnamon, it’s probably better to switch distros.
That’s fine about the fingerprint reader. I’m not too concerned about that.
Please excuse my ignorance as I’ve not used Linux in a very, very long time… what is a flatpak?
Here’s a pretty good video about the different packaging formats on linux: https://piped.video/watch?v=ikBPnYwnUMU
What I wish I knew when i first installed a flatpak is that they, by default, do not have access to all the files in your file system. You can change their permissions with an app called flatseal (it should be available in the mint software app). Even then, I would avoid using them for things that need access to system files and libraries, such as IDEs.
I’ll give it a view. Thanks!
I’d imagine it would work fine. You can always try Mint out from the LiveUSB and see if any issues occur.
The installer’s defaults should be enough to get it done without any hassle.
IIRC Mint 21.3 had a
touchpad driverkeyboard issue on some Thinkpads. It looked like a simple fix if you are effected tho.Installing Mint on my Thinkpad Yoga was easier than installing Windows. Everything worked right out of the box.
Edit: keyboard not touchpad.
Thanks. You don’t happen to know if there’s a list of the models that have that issue and/or a page on how to fix it, do you?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Lenovo#Lenovo
This page from the Arch Wiki might be a good start
Is Arch similar enough to Mint to make any issues there the same?
I’d say for the most part. The Arch Wiki does a decent job at least pointing users in the right direction. The path to solving it may be a bit different. For example you may need to find the equivalent package on Mint and it might have a different name.
Great, thanks!
From what I’ve seen, hardware issues usually come from the hardware manufacturer and not the distro. For example on my t480 the CPU is perma throttled because intel didn’t release a patch.
Did you change your bios settings to performance? I had the same problem but changing both bios and power management to performance finnaly let my CPU boost to advertised speeds
Also t480? This is the only solution I found online, but I didn’t try it out.
Also t480 - i5-8350u CPU.
My process was to update firmware with fwupd -> change TLP to performance(depending on desktop environment you may have a battery life settings panel) -> reboot into bios and change power settings to performance.
Ran a benchmark and my CPU was running at full power when it was limiting itself to 2Ghz before.
That is not good news. I do not want a perma throttled CPU. I’m not going to be doing anything that would require it. So I hope the T460 doesn’t have that problem.
Oops, it was a keyboard issue that affected Thinkpads. It’s in the release notes https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_virginia.php
Thanks!
I took a quick look at the specs and the T460 has 2 cores and uses DDR3 ram, so even though Linux is much lighter on resources than Windows, this laptop might not last you too long, considering how heavy even basic web browsing is these days. This computer will choke if you have a lot of tabs open, especially if you have things other than the browser open. I also noticed it has TPM, so just double check that you can replace the OS on this particular machine.
An alternative would be the T480, which would give you more mileage but can’t usually be had for under $100 like the T460.
Glhf!
It’s what I could afford.
