I really want to add “if you don’t leave a voicemail with a description of what you’re calling about I’m not calling you back” to my work phone.
I already don’t call back if they don’t leave a message. If it’s not important enough to them to leave a 10 second message it’s not important enough to me to call them back.
Or when they send an email or teams message saying to call them but not giving a subject, then they ask for some information that I could have already had if I’d known what we were doing.
Or the opposite at work for me: I call my 24yo Gen Z staff and it goes to voicemail. Then two seconds later get a ping on Teams from them saying hey you called? I’m like yes motherfucker I CALLED you so you should CALL me back. I want a five minute chat to hash it out and get on the same page so I know you understand the task. I do NOT want to text back and forth for twenty minutes only for you to fuck it up because of a texting misunderstanding.
I suppose it is logical that a generation that grew up texting with their noses buried in smart phones would develop this way. Plus Covid further stunting social development. But goddamn it’s annoying and not funny at all.
God I wish. I was told point blank on day one that I need to consider all of my staff a flight risk. Lay down the law like that and they’ll flee. It’s a generational thing and all my colleagues in other firms say the say thing. Big problem.
Yeah. The younger generation just doesn’t understand that the system was designed specifically to keep them in check and give them as few options as possible so they have to do whatever asked or risk ending up on the street. The audacity of them standing up for themselves and refusing to put up with professional mistreatment and be willing to walk. I can’t believe they figured out that we actually need them to operate and they have more power than we’ve led them to believe.
The irony of you talking about empowerment in a thread about someone with crippling anxiety over a friggin phone call 🤦♂️
Professional mistreatment? Keeping you in check?? GTFO you gotta be kidding me. It’s a phone call for F’s sake. You’re unhinged.
What in the world makes you think you have any power or value in a professional setting if you literally can’t even have a five minute phone call to run through and explain your work.
I mean, I’m just responding to your comment where you described the employees having the power in your professional setting. People with more information than you have are telling you to treat your employees as a flight risk and not do anything to lose them. That implies they don’t want them leaving more than they want to twist the boot they have on their necks.
On a personal note, you sound like a piece of shit. Your reply makes it clear you do see your employees as less than you and want them to just get in line and do what they’re told rather than advocate for themselves.
I’m in management at some generic office job. I advocate for my employees. I’ve done their job and I know it sucks. Now that I’ve moved up and have more information, their job still sucks and I still see them as people who are just trying to make enough money to live, like we all are. I also make sure to remind them on a regular business not to trust any company and always make decisions that are best for themselves. If I was CEO I would be telling them that.
I suggest you rethink your view on your own employees. Maybe remember that they are people with lives beyond trying to make their boss a little more money. They shouldn’t care and neither should you. If you see your employees as just tools to use for the company, your boss thinks the same thing about you. You should be on their side. You have the same enemy.
That’s funny. I’m currently on vacation now with a former staff turned friend. (He thinks I’m a moron for engaging with internet trolls and I agree.)
I can name six other staff I’ve worked with over the years at various firms who I’m still in touch with. They reach out for career advice, technical questions, and just in general to say I’m literally the only manager they’ve worked with who actually spent time teaching instead of dumping a shitload of work in their lap and then disappearing.
I love telling staff they’ll be teaching me stuff before they know it and they never believe me. The proudest moments of my professional life are when they explain something new to me and i go aha! There it is!
So I’m confident you’re wrong about the piece of shit argument.
One guy in this very thread told me to fuck off because I miss learning from colleagues. Fuck me, right? These are the people I’m talking about, and right now you’re not making a good case for yourself not being one of them.
This really isn’t a difficult concept. This thread is full of people who are literally terrified of a friggin phone call. I don’t know what fields they’re in where they can just be cave trolls who don’t answer the phone, much less shower and wear a damn polo with webcam on, but it sure isn’t mine. (I can only assume IT of some sort which would explain a lot about the level of people skills and civility in this thread, or lack thereof.)
Ps:
they shouldn’t care and neither should you
I care about the quality of my work and my career. Guess I’ll go fuck myself then.
Relax, most people are idiots. There are a lot of idiots and non professionals in this thread. Also a few communists who are anti work by their definition.
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I really want to add “if you don’t leave a voicemail with a description of what you’re calling about I’m not calling you back” to my work phone.
I already don’t call back if they don’t leave a message. If it’s not important enough to them to leave a 10 second message it’s not important enough to me to call them back.
Or when they send an email or teams message saying to call them but not giving a subject, then they ask for some information that I could have already had if I’d known what we were doing.
It’s when they just put “Hi” and nothing else that gets me.
“No”
Or the opposite at work for me: I call my 24yo Gen Z staff and it goes to voicemail. Then two seconds later get a ping on Teams from them saying hey you called? I’m like yes motherfucker I CALLED you so you should CALL me back. I want a five minute chat to hash it out and get on the same page so I know you understand the task. I do NOT want to text back and forth for twenty minutes only for you to fuck it up because of a texting misunderstanding.
I suppose it is logical that a generation that grew up texting with their noses buried in smart phones would develop this way. Plus Covid further stunting social development. But goddamn it’s annoying and not funny at all.
That’s when you have a mandatory teams meeting with the staff telling them they better fucking answer the phone, or it’s their job. But in a nice way.
God I wish. I was told point blank on day one that I need to consider all of my staff a flight risk. Lay down the law like that and they’ll flee. It’s a generational thing and all my colleagues in other firms say the say thing. Big problem.
Yeah. The younger generation just doesn’t understand that the system was designed specifically to keep them in check and give them as few options as possible so they have to do whatever asked or risk ending up on the street. The audacity of them standing up for themselves and refusing to put up with professional mistreatment and be willing to walk. I can’t believe they figured out that we actually need them to operate and they have more power than we’ve led them to believe.
So professional mistreatment = answering a phone call from your manager giving you a new project or giving feedback on your work?
Wtf do I even pay you for? Do you just watch YouTube all day long instead of work?
The irony of you talking about empowerment in a thread about someone with crippling anxiety over a friggin phone call 🤦♂️
Professional mistreatment? Keeping you in check?? GTFO you gotta be kidding me. It’s a phone call for F’s sake. You’re unhinged.
What in the world makes you think you have any power or value in a professional setting if you literally can’t even have a five minute phone call to run through and explain your work.
I mean, I’m just responding to your comment where you described the employees having the power in your professional setting. People with more information than you have are telling you to treat your employees as a flight risk and not do anything to lose them. That implies they don’t want them leaving more than they want to twist the boot they have on their necks.
On a personal note, you sound like a piece of shit. Your reply makes it clear you do see your employees as less than you and want them to just get in line and do what they’re told rather than advocate for themselves.
I’m in management at some generic office job. I advocate for my employees. I’ve done their job and I know it sucks. Now that I’ve moved up and have more information, their job still sucks and I still see them as people who are just trying to make enough money to live, like we all are. I also make sure to remind them on a regular business not to trust any company and always make decisions that are best for themselves. If I was CEO I would be telling them that.
I suggest you rethink your view on your own employees. Maybe remember that they are people with lives beyond trying to make their boss a little more money. They shouldn’t care and neither should you. If you see your employees as just tools to use for the company, your boss thinks the same thing about you. You should be on their side. You have the same enemy.
That’s funny. I’m currently on vacation now with a former staff turned friend. (He thinks I’m a moron for engaging with internet trolls and I agree.)
I can name six other staff I’ve worked with over the years at various firms who I’m still in touch with. They reach out for career advice, technical questions, and just in general to say I’m literally the only manager they’ve worked with who actually spent time teaching instead of dumping a shitload of work in their lap and then disappearing.
I love telling staff they’ll be teaching me stuff before they know it and they never believe me. The proudest moments of my professional life are when they explain something new to me and i go aha! There it is!
So I’m confident you’re wrong about the piece of shit argument.
One guy in this very thread told me to fuck off because I miss learning from colleagues. Fuck me, right? These are the people I’m talking about, and right now you’re not making a good case for yourself not being one of them.
This really isn’t a difficult concept. This thread is full of people who are literally terrified of a friggin phone call. I don’t know what fields they’re in where they can just be cave trolls who don’t answer the phone, much less shower and wear a damn polo with webcam on, but it sure isn’t mine. (I can only assume IT of some sort which would explain a lot about the level of people skills and civility in this thread, or lack thereof.)
Ps:
I care about the quality of my work and my career. Guess I’ll go fuck myself then.
Relax, most people are idiots. There are a lot of idiots and non professionals in this thread. Also a few communists who are anti work by their definition.