• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      In a way: when you legalize the most common forms of corruption and gaslight people into thinking of your favorite kinds of authoritarianism as normal and necessary, suddenly you don’t officially have a problem!

      That’s how the US and many other supposedly free and uncorrupted capitalist nations do it, anyway.

    • fuklu@lemmy.fmhy.ml
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      Relatively speaking, I’d say yes.

      The communist systems I’m aware of have failed hard on these due to not having built in outlets for negative human characteristics.

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        1 year ago

        Seems like your understanding of communism comes from cold war propaganda

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          Actually from people who lived through it in the eastern bloc… the propaganda was mostly right.

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        No, we tried communism, the weird dielectric system of government that Lenin came up with.

        Communism, the market ideology, can exist within a capitalist framework - all we have to do is say “companies are owned and operated by employees. From now on, we cap ROI when loaning money, no more infinite payout because you provided startup capital”.

        Communes and entirely employee owned/operated companies exist, and they do well. They just don’t grow until they implode - they grow to a point and then stop letting people in

        Communism is a market system, not a system of government. It doesn’t need to be centralized - and centralization is the real problem IMO

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          Yeah, agreed. I don’t think purism in either direction is great. To me well regulated capitalism with strong unions seems like a good balance.

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        that’s a fair question. it seems like corruption is universal to all systems of organization and therefore not a good measure of the validity of any given system