• LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Look you live in whatever imaginary land where we’ve reached some star trek utopia where everyone’s needs are meet; and I’ll touch grass and live in the real world where a vast majority of the planet would kick your ass out for not contributing, and those that would let you live and eat off their work probably live is some of the most impoverished conditions you deal with.

    Pragmatic thinking is dead replaced by this vapid rhetoric. You can support you fucking fellow person while expecting them to contribute.

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      9 months ago

      My imaginary land, which I admit is imaginary, is one where we all agreed that people have a basic right to survive and the idea that someone “deserved to die” was not a thing.

      But it sure would be nice if the wealthy people who ran this world didn’t make you think it was. Which they apparently have done.

    • Old_Fat_White_Guy@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      The Star Trek utopia WOULD be fantastic… everyone does what they are good at / enjoy, and their basic human needs are met. The people with some issue that can be corrected thru technology, such as a visor to correct blindness, can perform equally well if not better and can contribute to society. The downfall will be the people who just absolutely cannot contribute in any way still have their basic needs met. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t… but the general idea that “they don’t contribute so why should I have to contribute” WILL be there for some to use as an excuse to try to game the system to get something for nothing. Then someone that is contributing, doing what they are good at / enjoy, looks up one day and realizes that where they used to only “have to work 10 hours a week” they now have to work 20 hours a week to continue to support the incapable, which is good, but also to support the lazy “if he doesn’t then why should I” group, which is not good… then even more people jump on the if it’s free it’s for me train. Then before you know it you have one person working 60 plus hours a week, instead of 10, to have their basic needs met while supporting 4 others that refuse to contribute AND the one that really is incapable of contributions. And when that one person expects greater compensation for their workload or just naturally acquires greater compensation thru hard work they are demonized for their greed and wealth accumulated from their hard work. Meanwhile more people line up with their soft hands out for more free stuff. IF everyone pulled equally to the best of their ability that would be great… but they won’t. There will always be people who work harder to get more. There will always be people who work less and expect the same as the one working hard. There will always be people who won’t work at all and still expect someone else to supply them with their basic needs plus a McMansion, new car, cell phone, and and and… Meanwhile there are people, who thru no fault of their own cannot contribute, struggling to have their needs met because there are so many freeloaders in the system that available resources are stretched too thin. . .

      Maybe if everyone would do their part and work to the best of their ability doing what they are good at / enjoy to have their basic needs met…