They thought they were Hamas terrorists, not Palestinian civilians. Because Hamas often times disguise themselves as civilians in order to attack. Including when conducting stabbing or car ramming attacks within Israel against Israeli civilians.
That’s not what I was talking about and I do not easily dismiss the civilian casualties on either side. I would advise not taking the statistics that Hamas puts out at face value. We can talk about the number of casualties on both sides once the war is over, the dust settles and an accurate count can be made, preferably by an independent reliable source, not Hamas and probably not the IDF. It took Israel months to identify all the victims of October 7 and revised their total death count from about 1400 to 1200. In addition, it is an extremely densely populated region engaged in urban warfare against a terrorist military group (Hamas) that follows no rules whatsoever.
Look everyone, once we’ve finished ethnic cleansing the Palestinian people and expelled almost all of them from their homeland or killed them, then we can talk about it. Maybe we’ll even make a sad movie or a scholarship or something, like the Americans do with the Native Americans. Until then, no one is allowed to criticize us. Because it’s antisemitic, and also every single Palestinian is Hamas and Hamas deserves to die. Therefore…
You are fully allowed to talk about it and criticize us, I was just suggesting not trusting stats from a terror organization. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas does deserve to die.
Not in America you’re not. You get called antisemitic. You have to sign loyalty pledges to say you don’t believe in BDS. You lose your job or get your university clubs disbanded. Although at least you don’t get arrested like saying that stuff in Israel.
And the stats from Israel can be trusted? Your government lies their ass off every chance they get. Then they kill all the UN people who enter or the journalists and use the fog of war as an excuse to genocide everyone since no one can get any information from the ground. We’re lucky people have cell phones now so we can see all the atrocities with own eyes, send that some journalists are brave enough to stay despite their family and coworkers dying.
And you guys don’t care that not all Palestinians are Hamas since you can still use the excuse that there’s a Hamas hiding behind every one of them to kill them all. That doesn’t give you the moral high ground. Even the US didn’t kill that many civilians in our last few wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, but I guess we weren’t trying to do another settler colonialism there, so we had the advantage of not trying to ethnic cleanse the local population off the land.
Hamas is a reliable source because Hamas is not a terrorist organization.
The militant wing of Hamas uses terrorist tactics. Hamas is the government of the Gaza strip. As is everyone who works for them. But the militant wing is very separate from the governmental wing. This allows the Israels to claim they killed a Hamas member and people thing they’ve killed a militant, when in reality they just murdered a garbage collector, or census taker.
The garbage collector? Hamas.
The doctors that aren’t MSF? Hamas.
The pencil pushing hospital administrator? Hamas.
Finally, since you’re a child-murder denying Israel fanatic, who should we believe? Israel’s numbers? They’re HIGHER! They just claim every child killed is Hamas.
The Gaza Health ministry knows their numbers will always be questioned, so they only release numbers for people proven to be dead.
People buried under rubble from Israels indiscriminate bombing campaign? Not counted.
No. And look, to be honest I never understood why some people claim that Israel is purposefully targeting civilians. They are not, and the mortality rate of terrorist/civilians is some of the best if not the best in any modern urban war anywhere. Hamas just reports every death as civilian, and men of ages up to 21 as children. Not saying there have been no actual civilians, children and women killed in Gaza, but there is a clear intent to minimize innocent casualties, at least where I’m observing things from.
Also, a few days ago the IDF rescued 2 hostages for the first time, I hope that made international news.
It did but they also killed tens of thousanda of civilians, and more journalists than in any other recent conflict. They are not trying to reduce it at all. You don’t displace 1.7 million people or destroy 21 out of 22 hospitals, or bomb escape corridors or refigeee camps, or the last standing city in the region, or kill a bunch of hostages, or prevent the majority of humanitarian aid from being put in, or cut off electricity and gas, or preventing journalists from going in or specifically targeting them, when you’re trying to reduce civilian casualties. 2/3 of the deaths are women and children, they’re not inflating civilian deaths. It’s the opposite. Israel counts every death as Hamas lol. We have a bunch of proof. We’d have more if Israel didn’t keep killing journalists.
but there is a clear intent to minimize innocent casualties, at least where I’m observing things from.
Do you think they bombed Lebanon out of nowhere? Or was it a response to a certain wave of attacks which displaced the entire northern Israeli population?
Israeli warmongers: Hamas and Hezbollah both start with H.
Or maybe they forgot Gaza is in the southwest, not in the north.
Or maybe, just maybe, the Lebanese forgot to condemn Hamas.
If you didn’t need a reminder that this was never about the hostages.
Hostages also start with H
And they killed the hostages thinking they were Palestinian civilians.
They thought they were Hamas terrorists, not Palestinian civilians. Because Hamas often times disguise themselves as civilians in order to attack. Including when conducting stabbing or car ramming attacks within Israel against Israeli civilians.
Yeah those 15,000 children the IDF murdered were all completely indiscernable from adults. Couldn’t have been avoided.
Didn’t you hear, Hamas rides single file to hide their numbers
That’s not what I was talking about and I do not easily dismiss the civilian casualties on either side. I would advise not taking the statistics that Hamas puts out at face value. We can talk about the number of casualties on both sides once the war is over, the dust settles and an accurate count can be made, preferably by an independent reliable source, not Hamas and probably not the IDF. It took Israel months to identify all the victims of October 7 and revised their total death count from about 1400 to 1200. In addition, it is an extremely densely populated region engaged in urban warfare against a terrorist military group (Hamas) that follows no rules whatsoever.
Look everyone, once we’ve finished ethnic cleansing the Palestinian people and expelled almost all of them from their homeland or killed them, then we can talk about it. Maybe we’ll even make a sad movie or a scholarship or something, like the Americans do with the Native Americans. Until then, no one is allowed to criticize us. Because it’s antisemitic, and also every single Palestinian is Hamas and Hamas deserves to die. Therefore…
You are fully allowed to talk about it and criticize us, I was just suggesting not trusting stats from a terror organization. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Hamas does deserve to die.
Not in America you’re not. You get called antisemitic. You have to sign loyalty pledges to say you don’t believe in BDS. You lose your job or get your university clubs disbanded. Although at least you don’t get arrested like saying that stuff in Israel.
And the stats from Israel can be trusted? Your government lies their ass off every chance they get. Then they kill all the UN people who enter or the journalists and use the fog of war as an excuse to genocide everyone since no one can get any information from the ground. We’re lucky people have cell phones now so we can see all the atrocities with own eyes, send that some journalists are brave enough to stay despite their family and coworkers dying.
And you guys don’t care that not all Palestinians are Hamas since you can still use the excuse that there’s a Hamas hiding behind every one of them to kill them all. That doesn’t give you the moral high ground. Even the US didn’t kill that many civilians in our last few wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, but I guess we weren’t trying to do another settler colonialism there, so we had the advantage of not trying to ethnic cleanse the local population off the land.
Is the health ministry Hamas? Are the non MSF doctors Hamas?
Hamas is a reliable source because Hamas is not a terrorist organization.
The militant wing of Hamas uses terrorist tactics. Hamas is the government of the Gaza strip. As is everyone who works for them. But the militant wing is very separate from the governmental wing. This allows the Israels to claim they killed a Hamas member and people thing they’ve killed a militant, when in reality they just murdered a garbage collector, or census taker.
The garbage collector? Hamas.
The doctors that aren’t MSF? Hamas.
The pencil pushing hospital administrator? Hamas.
Finally, since you’re a child-murder denying Israel fanatic, who should we believe? Israel’s numbers? They’re HIGHER! They just claim every child killed is Hamas.
The Gaza Health ministry knows their numbers will always be questioned, so they only release numbers for people proven to be dead.
People buried under rubble from Israels indiscriminate bombing campaign? Not counted.
Wow. I’m out
That argument provides “justification” to kill any civilian.
Your words not mine.
Are you fine with allowing them to set the bar that low though?
No. And look, to be honest I never understood why some people claim that Israel is purposefully targeting civilians. They are not, and the mortality rate of terrorist/civilians is some of the best if not the best in any modern urban war anywhere. Hamas just reports every death as civilian, and men of ages up to 21 as children. Not saying there have been no actual civilians, children and women killed in Gaza, but there is a clear intent to minimize innocent casualties, at least where I’m observing things from.
Also, a few days ago the IDF rescued 2 hostages for the first time, I hope that made international news.
It did but they also killed tens of thousanda of civilians, and more journalists than in any other recent conflict. They are not trying to reduce it at all. You don’t displace 1.7 million people or destroy 21 out of 22 hospitals, or bomb escape corridors or refigeee camps, or the last standing city in the region, or kill a bunch of hostages, or prevent the majority of humanitarian aid from being put in, or cut off electricity and gas, or preventing journalists from going in or specifically targeting them, when you’re trying to reduce civilian casualties. 2/3 of the deaths are women and children, they’re not inflating civilian deaths. It’s the opposite. Israel counts every death as Hamas lol. We have a bunch of proof. We’d have more if Israel didn’t keep killing journalists.
So this is what being brainwashed looks like.
And that takes them murdering over 5.000 innocent civilians per month. Hope that brown people blood is worth it.
Someone drank a Big Gulp sized cup of Israeli propaganda Kool-Aid.
More like Hamastages.
Don’t forget Hospitals, they very clearly start with the letter Hamas too
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What? Hamas and Hezbollah are both attacking Israel what is your point?
Didn’t Israel start by bombing Lebanon
weeksmonths ago?Edit: months, not weeks: Israel bombed southern Lebanon on October 13.
Do you think they bombed Lebanon out of nowhere? Or was it a response to a certain wave of attacks which displaced the entire northern Israeli population?
Given Israel’s history of warmongering in Lebanon, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was unprovoked.
It was not unprovoked. Hezbollah joined Hamas’s attack from Oct 7
Citation needed.
Nassrallah said several times that they’ve begun doing this in support of Hamas.
And the recent attack by Israel is a response to Hizballah’s attack on Safed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Hezbollah_conflict_(2023%E2%80%93present)
Which in turn was in response to…going back to the illegal occupation of South Lebanon by Israel.
I’m not quite sure about Lebanon but israel bombed multiple people first, notably Syrian airfields. Multiple times.
Syria even been in this war iirc.
Israel used 7 Oct to attack a whole bunch of people they don’t like under the pretense of counter terrorism
It’s also a distraction so that they can continue to oppress Palestinians in the West Bank and in Israel.
How is it a distraction? Everyone is still talking about both things and giving their random uninformed opinions.