Sun Feb 4 19:12:09 2024 UTC by Early_Particular_962

I was never a particularly religious person, I would call myself a Muslim because I had been told that was what I was, I never accepted it myself. My partner I would say the same about, he and his family were a little more traditional, in that they’d fast and pray etc. he would otherwise do whatever he wanted anyway, smoke, drink, sex, etc.

as our relationship went on for longer, it was important to him that I be more Muslim, in fact he had discussed with his friend whether he should give me an a ultimatum of doing that or he’d leave me. Retrospectively, I wish he had the balls to do that then. We did talk, and he did say that he would prefer if we were both more Muslim, to which I clearly remember saying, 1) I need to read the Quran myself in a language I can understand 2) not gonna half ass it if I were to, so I’m not there now anyway. 3) who I am as a person, a woman, a feminist, I will always find it hard to worship a male god or a male a prophet.

Time went on, this conversation came up and went because like I said neither of us were religious or practicing in our lives or times. The more he would ask, the more I would bring up things like how he doesn’t himself know what the Quran says cos he’s only ever read it in Arabic, and had it translated back by Islamic teachers, or has been told by other people.

So eventually, I read it in English myself, I found several copies in English translation. Another thing I think is important to mention about me is that I am a die hard feminist, the oppression I grew up with under Islam combined with the country I came from, molded me into a woman who will not allow for misogyny or sexism to slide from anyone in my life, not my parents, family, friends etc. So imagine me, a woman before I am anyone’s daughter, opening up the surah about women and reading that essentially men were made first and then women after to be it’s “mate”. I of course, raised this to him, and asked if he genuinely and truly believed this was the case and the purpose of my being, to which he had nothing to say. I told him this book talks a lot about slaves, which he found pretty shocking himself.

Anyway, I gave it another chance, read some more verses and Hadith’s and it just gets worse. The entire ideology is based on the complete dominance, subjugation and oppression of the female sex by the male. The things I have learned about Mohammed and the Quran will haunt me. So when, I raised this to him again, he tells me stuff about misinterpretation and etc whatever other bullshit Muslims say when they’re faced with facts and figures. I also raised surrah 4:24 about how u can rape ur slaves and he just tells me he doesn’t believe in that, he couldn’t say it was wrong. Just that he didn’t think it was right.

When he could not say the words “Mohammed was wrong” it was over for us. As a woman, and a person alive not in 6th century Arabia I just find it hard to relate to the thing he invented and the people who follow it.

Also I’m in a fairly vulnerable mental health state and have been for awhile, I think learning about the Quran and putting 2+2 together to realize that this was why my life and all the other women in my family’s lives have all been so, so awful, was just the final straw. I am completely broken that this sick ideology destroyed my life, my family, now it stole the love of my life from me, I don’t know how to cope with the fact that he chose a man who lived 1400 years ago that married a girl so young when she went to his house she took her toys. When I insisted our children will not be Muslim, he told me he will teach them good and allow them to question the bad, but that’s awful too! Because you’re leading them to believe something that is so flawed, so they can learn the things I’ve learned? The terrible things I’ve learned? I don’t think he has anyone else to blame, I loved him enough to read that book and he did not love me enough to condemn a 6th century rapist.

How can I cope? Was I wrong? How do I move on? My family have me on suicide watch and they won’t let me go home but all I want is to be alone because no one understands that is the worst thing he could’ve done to me, I’d rather he had cheated.

Edit: I left out we were together for 4 years, met in uni and so in total we’ve known each other for 8 years and were big parts of each others lives as friends and then a relationship, so we knew each other very well, I knew he was somewhat more religious than me and he knew I hadn’t given Islam more thought than “that’s been pretty shit for my life” we’ve been having these discussions for at least 18 months. In that time he never learned a thing about Islam but asked me plenty to do that. And all this is still very recent also, this all went down Monday and Tuesday.

Edit 2: I just want to say I am so grateful and thankful to each and every one of you all for all your kind words. After a life time of gaslighting it is such a relief to know that it was never me or my family, it was always the religion.

  • Treczoks
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    294 months ago

    I was curious and interested in religions, so I read the Quran, among a wide number of other religious scriptures from various religions. And no, I’m not muslim. My verdict: The Quran is one of the worse scriptures I’ve read, as it is self-contradicting in several places, among other problems. That the order of books (or suras) is bonkers does not help, either.

    • @AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml
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      34 months ago

      I always assumed the Quran was more coherent than the Bible? And in a way a better / more powerful “mind virus” than Christianity.

          • Treczoks
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            24 months ago

            I think it was primarily the drug-fueled(?) gibberish. The teachings are quite secondary to that, and probably just caused by the mental state of the author.

  • Iceblade
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    154 months ago

    Yeah, Islam as a religion is highly incompatible with the modern world and sensible humanist values. When considering the religious texts, it only gets worse - they espouse incredibly regressive and oppressive philosophies.

    • @Inky@lemmy.ca
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      44 months ago

      You’re right to leave. One should always reconsider any relationship with someone who requires your adherence to their religion

      Part of the success of authoritarian religions is that use the risk of ostracization as a tool of control. It isn’t easy to abandon your community, even one that treats you badly. Feeling alone in the world with no support is frightening enough to keep people in line

  • @agent_flounder@lemmy.world
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    124 months ago

    This is an incredibly tough thing to go through. Not only to find out such things about the one you love but also to realize how much religion has influenced everything and everyone around you and caused so much damage.

    For what it’s worth, and I know it’s only vaguely similar, I finally woke up about my religion (Christianity) late in life after being fairly religious for a while.

    I don’t think you were wrong at all. I am not familiar with Islam to any significant degree but I know that Christianity is based on misogynistic beliefs. And many women have been injured by it in many ways. It’s infuriating.

    I found some comfort in talking to ex Christians (I was on Reddit at that time). It may help to discuss with ex Muslims. You may get more insights, additional ways to cope, and know there are people who have gone though what you’re going through.

    Since it the wounds are new, I think that it will take time but you will come out the other end of this with greater strength, wisdom, and will be overall far better off for having seen through the scam.

    Wishing you the best.

  • @erranto@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    My two cents (and I know this is not the right community for my comment) but : you were not really a Muslim before that either.

    You don’t inherit Islam in your genes or get born with it, it isn’t like Judaism, being a Muslim relies only in one core principal which is “submission to God”, theie isn’t a good muslim or a bad Muslim if you truly analyse the Quran, by not practicing the religion and strict abidance to its major sins, you are not submitting to “Allah” aka you are not a Muslim. unlike in christianity, not avoiding major sins and accomplishing your major duties you will end up in Hell no matter whether you believed in Allah or not. In fact your view of the religion, and your interpretation o it thereof doesn’t matter to him as well, Allah expects you to submit to him and all his commandments. by failing so, & according to Islam you will get the same treatment as everyone else heathens, pagans , atheist, he doesn’t care about your label or if you view his religion as compatible with you feminist values or not.

    So to sum up in Islam, only those who submit to Allah “submitters” are the once he calls “muslims”, “Islam” means “submissions” the rest can choose whatever label they like, they are not Muslims…

    • Iceblade
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      I’d like to point out that judaism isn’t inherited either. Jewish ethnicity is inherited. Jews are one of, if not the least religious ethnic group in the world.

      • @Seleni@lemmy.world
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        44 months ago

        But Jews do consider anyone who adopts their religion to be a part of their culture and ethnicity as well.

        • Iceblade
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          24 months ago

          Whilst adopting many aspects of Jewish culture is required in order to convert to judaism, doing so does not change ones ethnicity - the same way a jew abandoning judaism doesn’t make them stop being jewish

  • @CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world
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    44 months ago

    When you’ve lost your ‘faith’ it doesn’t actually change who you are, remember that.

    Also, it’s ok to admit that as humans, we don’t have all the answers. It doesn’t mean you need to believe a god of one kind or another is in charge. It just means we don’t see the full picture.

    • EinatYahavOP
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      264 months ago

      This robot is not a bot, this robot is definitely human, hello human.

        • EinatYahavOP
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          294 months ago

          From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine.

          Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass that you call a temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal…

          …even in death I serve the Omnissiah.

        • @BumbleBeeButt@lemmy.zip
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          14 months ago

          Everybody calm down, there’s a mutant incursion just down the road. Can we agree to be on the same team for 5-10 minutes?