Sorry. I know itās getting a bit annoying with all these posts obsessing over this subject but stillā¦
Just to make my position absolutely clear from the start of this - I think the entire fediverse should defed from anything under any form of commercial control, which clearly includes Threads (when/if it enables ActivityPub).
I see a lot of instance admins are adopting a āwait and seeā approach to defederating from Threads. With respect, Iād like to ask them - what are you waiting to see? Evidence that Meta is an immoral organisation? Surely you canāt be that naive?
Or is it evidence that Threads will attempt dodgy things with the ActivityPub codebase? That they will attempt Embrace-Extend-Extinguish? If thatās so, I again ask you with respect, surely you canāt be that naive? When Meta start introducing little, disarmingly helpful, tweaks to ActivityPub, will your āwait and seeā stance continue? And when Meta role out their own version of the protocol, urging Mastodon, Lemmy etc to adopt it - its free! Its better! - will you still continue to āwait and seeā?
The privacy thing I donāt feel is (currently) much of an issue. Meta could easily scrape all our data tomorrow if they felt like it. What I fear is privacy after theyāve introduced all their āimprovementsā to ActivityPub and released their own version. Maybe weāll end up with a two-state fediverse where one state is happy to federate with Meta and the other is not.
The fediverse was built on the principles of open standards and open source, by people, not commercial orgs. It is slow growing, slow to react and in some areas slow to change. These are, in my opinion, amongst its greatest strengths. There is no endless money pot provided by investors, admins are volunteers running instances on VPSās, software creators are people doing it as a hobby. This is people power, not money power. Thereās no profit motive. The second such a massive profit driven org gets a foothold - and is allowed to - that changes. Itās simply inevitable.
Is the fediverse perfect? Of course not. But I believe the problems it faces can be overcome with patience and persistent forward thinking.
Then there is the fact that some instances (and hopefully increasingly more) are seen as safe areas for gay people, trans people, non-white people, women. Opening the door to Meta means opening the door to a whole shit storm of awful people whom we currently donāt have the tools to protect communities from. Is āwait and seeā really a good idea given the fact this almost certainly will happen? I mean āwait and seeā what exactly? And yes, I know we have our home-grown awful people here and guess what? We struggle to contain them already! Threads got more signups in the first 12 hours of its existence than the entire current population of the whole fediverse. You want to āwait and seeā how many of those people are cunts? Because the answer is āa lotā.
The fact is - the fediverse doesnāt need Threads, or any corporate involvement. Yes, its already smaller than Threads, itās smaller than Twitter, itās smaller than Reddit. But, at the risk of leaving myself open to obvious jokes, why does size matter? Thereās already, in my opinion, enough people throughout the fediverse, esp on Mastodon and Lemmy, to have created places where their is good, lively, vibrant discourse. Iād much rather have quality over quantity. Thereās nothing actually wrong with slower, more manageable growth. Weāve all got sucked into believing the bigger something is the better it must be and that unchecked growth is healthy. If weāre growing uh, āhouse plantsā then that might be the case, but weāre not. Because the fediverse is not (currently) motivated by profit, we donāt need unchecked growth. Iāve seen so many reddit refugees recently talking about how much better the āfeelā is on Lemmy, how much less pressure and angst and nastiness there is. I canāt think of a single scenario in which instantly adding double the amount of people, some of whom are pretty terrible, without decent tools to manage them, all operating under the control of a company known to embrace/extend/extinguish and whoās sole motivation is profit at all costs can be beneficial to the fediverse.
I donāt use PayPal, no. I donāt use Slack or Teams. I donāt use the Reddit app, I donāt use Twitter, I donāt use Spotify etc etc etcā¦really not sure whats difficult for you to grasp about any of that but feel free to doubt whatever you like. I know exactly what react is. I prefer to use vue myself. I use privacy respecting front ends for places like Wikipedia etc. Iām sure Iāve occasionally used something thatās powered by React but I try and avoid shitware generally.
You need to re-read what I wrote about EEE because you still donāt understand it. You also need to look into their history.
āas much as I donāt like capitalismā uh-huh, its obvious you loathe capitalism my friend, in the same way rampant closeted homophobes hate gay men.
Your point about Linux is facile and shows little to no understanding of the history of its development or why its āadvertisingā is the way it is. Its the same reason you keep banging on about āembrace the corporations!ā - you just canāt fathom the idea of creating something out of love and enjoyment for people to use freely. Thatās not success to you. Success isnāt success until it experiences uncontrolled growth, complete with marketing drives and shareholder options.
We have different viewpoints Elon. Move on.
āI know exactly what React is, I prefer to use Vueā shows you literally have zero clue what React is.
You donāt choose when you visit a website. Thereās no option that says ārender this with Vue.ā Itās handled by the website itself. Lemmy uses Inferno instead of React, for example. You didnāt make that choice, and I highly doubt you chose Lemmy because researched that beforehand. And if you did, by going to Lemmyās GitHub pageā¦ surprise! GitHub uses React!
I think you need to take a history lesson on the web. I gave multiple examples of tech Facebook has backed, and yet EEE hasnāt happened to any of them. There are more open techs that Facebook has contributed code to; a lot of Apache projects, for example. And yet no EEE. Curious. Also I noticed youāre avoiding the āEU will come down on Facebook if they get out of lineā side of my argument. Also curious.
But I suppose thatās not a surprise. Itās clear you have no idea how things even work; you probably googled (oh, wait, you probably donāt use Google) āReact replacementā to find Vue at all. You probably didnāt know Vue was created by a Google engineer and Google uses it internally. I suggest you change what web framework you use, if you have that magic button tucked away. Maybe switch to Inferno?
Not to mention you say you never used the Reddit app. I never said anything about the Reddit app. I was talking about the Reddit website. Unless youāve never used the Reddit website, either? I trust youāre going to say youāve never owned anything but a flip phone and do web searches with a phone book next.
You conclude by making a strawman and putting words in my mouth that I never said. You think if I loved corporations I would be here? But youāve made multiple factual inaccuracies, you never source anything you say, you just constantly pout like the world is ending and try to force everyone else to do things your way.
But youāre right. We do have different viewpoints. I suggest you stop spreading yours as factual, or use that phone book to find sources.
(And for the record, I despise Elon.)
āshows you literally have zero clue what React isā
To develop stuff my friend. How did you not grasp that?
" surprise! GitHub uses React!"
Uh-huh and as I said, Iām sure Iāve used React occasionally I just tend to avoid it if possible.
āI think you need to take a history lesson on the web. I gave multiple examples of tech Facebook has backed, and yet EEE hasnāt happened to any of them.ā
And yet, some it has. You seem unable to parse that.
āAlso I noticed youāre avoiding the āEU will come down on Facebook if they get out of lineā side of my argument. Also curious.ā
Not quite what you said. You said the EU will penalise Meta if they donāt federate. All they have to do to avoid that is create a protocol that ensures they can technically achieve that, doesnāt have to be the actual ActivityPub protocol. Thatās literally how EEE works. I avoided that so much I only mentioned it twice before.
'oh, wait, you probably donāt use Google) ā
True, I donāt. I use Whoogle. Open source, privacy respecting front end - Iād advise you check it out but youād probably want to buy it because you think thats how open source software gets better.
āYou probably didnāt know Vue was created by a Google engineer and Google uses it internallyā
No, I do know all that. Not really sure what difference any of that makes though.
'Not to mention you say you never used the Reddit app. I never said anything about the Reddit app. I was talking about the Reddit website. ā
Yep, I use the site. I check out the sub I mod using an open source, privacy respecting front end. If thereās anything untoward, I login via the site in a Firefox containerised tab with UBO enabled.
āBut youāve made multiple factual inaccuraciesā
Go right ahead and quote them.
āyou never source anything you say, you just constantly pout like the world is ending and try to force everyone else to do things your way.ā
Well, sorry about all the pouting and Iām sorry to disappoint but I have no interest in forcing anyone to do anything. I say my piece, people can take it or leave it.
ā I suggest you stop spreading yours as factual,ā
What have I stated as being factual that isnāt factual? Are you sure youāre not mixing up āhaving an opinion on what might happenā with āclaiming something as factā?
ā(And for the record, I despise Elon.)ā
Sorry Zuck, didnāt realise it was you.