Lemmy.ml has now blocked threads.net / Meta - Lemmy
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It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml [http://lemmy.ml] admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed. We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.
      • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        96·
        2 years ago

        Thats unfortunate. I’ll be moving instances then. Giving Meta a chance is a lot like giving a mosquito a chance to not suck your blood.

          • MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.worldEnglish
            141·
            2 years ago

            Same, I was only donating $2 a month but I’m not alone in finding this completely unacceptable. I applied at lemmy.ml. It’s the scorpion and the frog with these people suggesting we should just wait and see.

            “~Let’s see if Zuck doesn’t act like an anti-competitive asshole this time” <–where the hell is the logic in that?!

            • Ichipurka@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 years ago

              Ikr? When being a competitive asshole is the core of your being, the windows should be closed before something even has a chance to happen.

        • Bocky@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          21 days ago

          I wish moving to a different instance was easier, I don’t want to put in much effort and it doesn’t appear to be super easy

          • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            21 days ago

            I ended up just making an alt. Wasn’t too bad. Just signed up again and searched for some communities.

        • bluefirex@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1515·
          2 years ago

          This behavior is why the fediverse alienate users and makes it hostile for new people to join.

          They didn’t do anything, yet. Give them the chance but start with 2 strikes on their account already. They fuck up, THEN you defederate. Innocent until proven otherwise.

          Edit: go on, downvote me. Show me your face. Show me how you’re all against growth on Lemmy and niceness to each other.

          • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemmy.worldEnglish
            261·
            2 years ago

            Innocent until proven otherwise.

            There are many years of proof already about facebook/meta acting very maliciously, actively breaking laws and being fined for it, is that not proof enough? How many more do you need before you can say they’re not innocent at all?

          • Pyro@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            2 years ago

            Innocent until proven otherwise.

            Corporations like Meta have shown time and time again that they cannot be trusted to play nice with anyone else. Have we already forgotten about Cambridge Analytica or the plethora of other scandals they’ve been at the center of? The proof has been in plain view for a while now.

            • bluefirex@lemmy.worldEnglish
              36·
              2 years ago

              They don’t get more data because they’re federated. They literally the exact same amount of data as they do know just by scraping mastodon or Lemmy. They’re an even player in this market. Somehow you all keep forgetting that. If you don’t want meta do have data from activity pub, you being here already violates that ideal.

              • Pyro@lemmy.worldEnglish
                4·
                2 years ago

                Okay, but that doesn’t address any of the points I brought up.

                You said to give Meta a chance. The rest of us are broadly gesturing at all the shit they’ve done in the past, and how we want as little to do with that as possible.

                • bluefirex@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  13·
                  2 years ago

                  There is nothing they can do to fuck up your experience, ESPECIALLY on Lemmy though. Threads is a completely different concept from Lemmy and activity pub is well defined.

                  The only thing they could do is just not moderate threads and therefore putting spam in everyone’s feeds. That’s about it. I don’t think they’re leaving that unmoderated.

          • HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            5·
            1 year ago

            Innocent until proven otherwise is a concept for criminal court.

            We aren’t putting someone in jail, we are looking at their past business practices and deciding not to do business with them based on their obvious habits.

          • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            If you disagree with me, we’ll then you’re just against niceness, admit you are! Admit you’re against niceness!

      • sudo@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
        361·
        2 years ago

        “until something happens”

        I suppose Metas history of actively being a bad actor working against societies best interests and enabling hate groups doesn’t qualify as ‘something’…

          • reddwarf@vlemmy.netEnglish
            14·
            2 years ago

            User pointed to a history of bad behaviour to counter the idea of “lets wait”. User suggested to learn from history and use that as a metric for decisions.

            You just trolled your way into this and think consequentially you are ‘clever’. You are not.

            • bennysp@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              1 year ago

              This is great. Then all the people complaining that lemmy.world is “too big” can now be appeased with others leaving lemmy.world. Glad to see the community solve each other’s problems organically! :)

        • Favrion@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 years ago

          How do you do that? I’m subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn’t sound like it’s worth it.

          • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            2 years ago

            Honestly it isn’t. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there’s even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta’s wim about being flooded with their toxic content.

            Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who’ve been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don’t care and just don’t want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it.

              • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                2 years ago

                People keep saying that. Like it’s something that actually happens. And let’s be clear, it has happened with a number of commercial products. But Microsoft and others have never managed to EEE email, HTTP/HTTPS, Usenet, Linux, Java even. And they’ve tried haaaaaaaaaard. Google didn’t EEE XMPP either. It still exists. I use it daily. The author is misrepresenting what happened.

                What happened is that too many people felt obligated to work with corporation that had little interest in working with them. Rather than to focus on their own system and continue to update or develop it. Neglecting their core user base, chasing after people who didn’t seek it out and didn’t care what they were using so long as it worked. They wasted time and effort. But Google didn’t actually kill anything. And all the people using Google talk typically weren’t interested about XMPP in the first place and never would be.

                It goes beyond that even. Lemmy is developed by socialists. And not just the more reasonable bunch of socialists like myself. But straight up militant leninists. They’re part of the core development team if not the whole thing. And they have no interest in catering to or coddling misbehaving corporations. They are going to do what they want and what they feel they need to do when they need to do it. And if meta or anyone else tries to screw it up. They’re not going to pay one single bit of attention to them and just keep on doing what they’ve been doing

            • Zaktor@lemmy.worldEnglish
              10·
              2 years ago

              I’m not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed.

              • MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                2 years ago

                Agreed about influencers. Meta wouldn’t be doing this at all if they didn’t have a plan (or multiple plans) to monetize it. The whole reason I left Reddit and plan to leave Twitter was that I very much dislike having any part of my online enjoyment at the mercy of the whims of gigantic corporate assholes that think they are far more important than they are. Meta has been an awful and abusive actor in the tech world, why would any freedom-loving person want anything to do with them in a freedom-loving space?! Why would anyone just wait and see what they do this time to decide they’re an awful company with only their profits in mind and no qualms about making those profits at a cost to its users?!

              • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0·
                2 years ago

                Oh they are going to fight it either way no doubt. But why make it easy on them I say. And you’re right. If we have access to their content and can provide actual linear feeds like people want with no toxic algorithms. It’s win-win for us and still mostly a loss for them. Even if we defiederate with them they’re still going to data mine we just cut ourself off from reaching those people preemptively.

            • tj111@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
              2·
              2 years ago

              I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever.

          • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            0·
            2 years ago

            I got like 150, that wouldn’t stop me. Plus you can use curl to export the list of the instances you’re subscribed to on your account.

          • curve@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            2 years ago

            There is a python script floating around that will sync your communities, etc. I’d link but don’t have it handy.

        • KazroFox@lemmy.worldEnglish
          51·
          2 years ago

          People think I’m exaggerating when I say Meta is evil, but this is one of the stories that jumps to mind. Awful company.

      • Gamers Mate@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        2 years ago

        Oh damn guess I will migrate to lemmy.ml and use that until I find out if lemmy.world defederates or not. (Edit turns out it is run by tankies and they are federated with lemmygrad.) While I may or may not stay on lemmy.world depending on if we federate with meta or not. I will no longer suggest Lemmy.ml.

        • necrxfagivs@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 years ago

          I’m not in a hurry to migrate, as Threads doesn’t support federation yet, but is not a bad idea to keep an eye on other instances.

      • Jilanico@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        until something happens

        What exact behaviors are they looking for that would cause them to push the block button?

        Threads can do very well for themselves without the fediverse as they are already demonstrating. What real motive do they have to join the fediverse except to shut it down?

        • necrxfagivs@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          Thank you and the other admins for the thoughtful and transparent answer.

          We would like to express our disappointment with the negative and threatening tone of some of these discussions

          Considering that a great percentage of the Fediverse userbase are ex-users of Reddit and Twitter that left due to CEO actions, I get that they (including me) don’t trust Meta or want anything to do with them. I agree that discussion should be civil nonetheless.

      • guyman@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        2 years ago

        Heck yeah. That’s a very balanced and rational approach completely unfuelled by emotions.

        Can’t say the same for the top comment in this thread, lol.

        • MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 years ago

          Facebook doesn’t give a shit about its users and treats them and their data as a crop to harvest. On Meta platforms, you’re the product. On the fediverse, you’re just another user, free to do what you want. Disgust is indeed an emotion, and I’m 100% fine with being disgusted with Meta.

        • tate@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          21·
          2 years ago

          So far on Lemmy I had never looked for the option to block a single user. You have changed that.

        • possum@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          Is it more rational than only federating once they’ve proven that it’ll be fine? (instead of waiting for them to prove they’re not)

        • money_loo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          01·
          2 years ago

          Oh look, this place is just like Reddit with the rational talk buried in the comments. Thank you for being here despite the apparently unpopular opinion we share.

    • Phegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      2 years ago

      I want to be on an instance that defederates, I will move if world does not do it.

  • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
    85·
    2 years ago

    This is not particularly surprising. Lemmy was started as an anti-corporate project by leftists after /r/chapotraphouse got quarantined and later banned (subreddit for the most popular podcast and most donated patreon at the time), with the explicit goal of preventing corporate control from being able to silence leftists when they’re blasting off. CTH was skyrocketing in subscribers at the time it was quarantined on August 8th 2019, and when even quarantining didn’t stop its growth or slow down its activity afterwards Reddit pulled the plug under the excuse it promoted violence, but the only particularly edgy thing ever said there was “slave owners should be killed” and support for John Brown. This evolved post-ban into the assessment that Spez banned it because he wants to own slaves.

    When that happened there was a massive shift in the leftist parts of reddit as we very quickly realised we’d be targeted if reddit ever deemed us to be too successful, and projects like Lemmy began in reaction. CTH’s community in fact moved to Lemmy 3 years ago, and resides on Hexbear.net but has not yet joined the rest of federated lemmy due to technical issues (it used to be a fork with a different front end).

    Given lemmy’s specific anti-corporate origins seeing Lemmy.ml do this should surprise nobody. It’s the correct move anyway.

    • Nobody@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      2 years ago

      Always love to hear the deep lore. Lemmy’s early development makes a lot more sense now. Good on them(you) to leave everything open and learn from Reddit’s mistakes.

      Still, free and open has a limit. No Facebook and no Nazis. That’s just common sense everyone used to have.

        • Serdan@lemm.eeEnglish
          17·
          2 years ago

          I have this theory that people who complain about everyone being called nazis, have themselves been called a nazi.

          Why do people call you a nazi, hmm?

          • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            2 years ago

            That’s literally never happened, so I can’t answer. I’m basically a Marxist, though I’m not especially attached to that as an identity.

                • Serdan@lemm.eeEnglish
                  7·
                  2 years ago

                  I’ve made you aware that claiming the word “nazi” doesn’t mean anything anymore is a thing nazis do.

                  Do with that what you will.

            • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              2 years ago

              Antifa are not ultranationalists. The vast majority are anarchists and communists, which are internationalist ideologies. Literally the polar opposite.

            • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 years ago

              You could call them an authoritarian paramilitary group, but they’re not nazis. That doesn’t automatically make them good, it’s just that nazism is a specific political ideology.

                • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  2 years ago

                  I’ve yet to meet an anarchist following anything like a coherent ideology in that respect. They all seem very eager to impose themselves on others. I suppose one guy took a more academic position, but still seemed to idolise violence. Maybe the authority is decentralised, but frequently wielded as explicit force. Not far from libertarianism in that regard. Doesn’t appeal.

        • supamanc@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          2 years ago

          What a pointless question though. Obviously in the context ‘Nazi’ means what it means NOW.

          ‘Peadophiles should be locked up’ ‘ah but what if the definition of Peadophile changes to incorporate anyone who has sex??’

          • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
            0·
            2 years ago

            Yes, it didn’t take long for somebody to accuse me of being a literal nazi. Those are odd people, though. Don’t tend to meet them in the real world, only on the internet.

            • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
              0·
              2 years ago

              Yes, in fact I’m calling for the centrally-organised, systematic eradication of pancakes from the breakfast menu. That’s what I mean when I say I like waffles.

              • prole@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                3·
                2 years ago

                The fact that you people can’t see how distasteful it is to compare the fucking Nazis to breakfast foods in a cute way, says everything anyone needs to know about you.

                • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  No idea, I don’t use 4chan. It can produce funny content, but I don’t think I could stand to wade through the shit. It’s a legacy username, it’s mine and I cherish it.

    • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
      71·
      2 years ago

      Not leftists, Stalinists; The sort of people who end up killing all the other leftists any chance they think they might be close to taking power.

      • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 years ago

        Mate I do not give a flying fuck what any of these people with zero power are. I care about actually achieving shit. Fortunately I live in the UK where this bizarre sectarianism has absolutely no presence, thank fuck for that.

        If you lived in the UK you’d be against the head of the RMT union currently striking the UK railroads, who publicly calls James Connolly his political hero and is an obvious marxist-leninist. You’d be against Jeremy Corbyn, because he defends the Soviet Union and always has, he also promotes the Black Panthers who defended north korea (if you look in the corner of the video around 2:00 there’s even a cute little soviet cccp statue). You’d be against Diane Abbott, because she’s publicly defended Mao on national television. You’d probably find something to be against John Mcdonnell who has said his job is to overthrow capitalism on the BBC, probably because he’s quoted Mao and read his little red book in parliament?

        My point here is that you’ve got to get a grip. We don’t do this bizarre shit over in the UK because there’s literally no point, there is no communist revolution just around the corner, the conditions do not exist for it. What matters is what we can achieve RIGHT NOW, when a revolution is actually on the cards then we can decide what that revolution should actually fucking look like. In the meantime these people are all mild lukewarm elected MPs as socdems that just want to give people more welfare and improve basic living standards, but you would call them evil tankies for any of these things.

        If you don’t build at least SOME power now you will have absolutely none when the conditions deteriorate enough for a real revolution, and if that is the case it will be fascism that wins, not any sect of the absolutely non-existent left in your country.

        What you’re viewing above is how radical you need to be just to establish and maintain lukewarm european welfare and social safety nets. Get that into your head and you might actually stop the aussie government dumping migrants into concentration camps and help improve people’s lives for fuck’s sake. You should know better than this anyway, half the union leadership of australia are marxist-leninists, and the other half are trots. What union are you in? I’ll tell you whether you need to throw your union leader under the bus for some fucking do-nothing liberal because of your sectarianism obsession. Are you even in one?

        • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
          4·
          2 years ago

          Are you saying the UK, you don’t have leftist factionalism? Fucking get off it mate.

          • Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.worldEnglish
            16·
            2 years ago

            Not really among the actual leftists. There is a conflict between the neoliberal starmerites who fake being left and the actual leftists that he has been purging so hard it puts stalin to shame, there is barely any fighting among the actual UK left because we do not give a fuck. I don’t fucking care what the person next to me on the roof of an Israeli weapons factory believes, I care that he’s going to have my back when the cops show up. I do not care what the person next to me on the picket line believes, I care that they’re fucking there. If you said this shit in person at an event you’d get knocked out or if you’re lucky sidelined and ostracised by just about every group in the left for being a wrecker whose goal is clearly not to help but to divide.

            Very very rarely there is some extremely cringe jabs between the trots and the MLs, but not particularly often because there’s no fucking point. The anarchists are ironically the least sectarian, simply caring that people show up when the hunt sabos need it because there’s fuck all people in the countryside as it is to be picky about what kind of leftist someone is. Everyone shows up for everyone’s events, because having a left is far more fucking important than arguing over 100 year old cringe while workers lives are being made worse NOW. All you’re doing with this shit is helping capitalists by weakening leftists.

            And you didn’t answer my question about what union you’re in?

      • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        They don’t endulge the crimes, none of them do.

        And they don’t seek power, if they did, they wouldn’t be working on Lemmy for less than 1K USD a month 😒.

        • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          Do they denounce the crimes?

          Edit: The silence is deafening.

          • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            2 years ago

            Yes, most of them do.

            But, none of you ever visit that place or engange in conversation, so you wouldn’t know 🤷.

            • areyouevenreal@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
              1·
              2 years ago

              Well that’s good news at least. Still dosen’t make sense why you would support a guy that killed Anarchist and Marxist comrades just because they disagreed with him

              • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                1·
                2 years ago

                Not saying it makes sense, I don’t agree with some of them either, but most of them are a really great crowd, not to mention very well read/informed and educated… you basically can’t win in a debate with most of them.

  • jafo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    73·
    2 years ago

    (Apparently) Unpopular Opinion: I think defederating Threads is the wrong move, because it just locks people into Threads. If people on Twitter had the ability to move to Mastodon AND still interact with all the people they did before, I think we would have seen even more people move. The only reason I still check twitter at all is because I have a few close friends who didn’t move. Meta is likely going to have big adoption of people who aren’t ready to go to Mastodon, but are interested in getting out of the dumpster-on-fire that twitter seems to continue to be. But blocking those people from being able to join the more popular Lemmy instances, given no actual policy violations, just will keep people in Meta that otherwise could leave. With the “however” being: It’s not quite clear to me that Threads users will be interacting with Lemmy as much Mastodon, if Threads were a Reddit replacement, it’s more directly connected.

  • vvvvv@lemmy.worldEnglish
    66·
    2 years ago

    I don’t know. I would like to subscribe to someone on Threads from Mastodon (since both are Twitter alternatives), if they don’t have Mastodon account (which let’s be honest they probably don’t). Zuck does not get any of my data (besides what’s available publicly anyway). If Threads decides to go full EEE, I’ll stop getting updates from people on Threads, same as I don’t get updates from people on IG right now. I think proliferation of ActivityPub protocol would be the greatest advantage.

    Moreover, I think we should follow the email architecture - I might use i.e. Proton Mail, but it does not prevent me from sending emails to Gmail, which I think is a bad provider, who collects a lot of user data. In fact if Proton Mail forbade sending email to Gmail I would be really displeased about that.

    The goal is to allow people to choose where they want to go and ActivityPub is what can help with that, unlike blocking Threads.

  • granglle@lemmy.worldEnglish
    56·
    2 years ago

    Very good news. Between Pi Hole and uBlock Origin, any links to threads is already blocked on my computer. Nice to see you folks preventing the linking to this privacy invading boil of the internet

  • joerocca@lemmy.worldEnglish
    52·
    2 years ago

    I’m on the fence here. Luckily, at least, I think community/subreddit-based sites like Lemmy/Reddit don’t have “network effects” that are as “sticky” as Mastodon/Twitter, because with Lemmy/Reddit you don’t need to build up a follower list to start getting value. You just join the community and it’s as if you immediately “followed” a bunch of people who share your interests. You don’t even need to make an account - you can just bookmark a community and lurk, and maybe you eventually make an account to start interacting. It’s a great “on-ramp” - very low barrier to entry/usefulness.

    I think that’s why Lemmy was able to take off so fast. It relies on community-level coordination, rather than every individual user having to make their own choice to switch, and try to get all their followers/followees to switch. So even if Meta did add a community-style mode, I don’t think it’d eat into the Lemmy userbase. It is hard to be sure though, and I respect the choices of those instances that have blocked/defederated.

    Mastodon admins have a harder decision to make I think - there’s an opportunity to get very quick growth by effectively adding a lot more followable users/content. A bunch of people don’t like Meta/Facebook, but want to follow their friends, and so they may use Mastodon to do that, which could get a lot more people to move to “real” fediverse apps/sites like Mastodon. I know a lot of people that are on Threads now, and I’m looking forward to being able to follow them from Mastodon, rather than being forced to get Threads to keep up to date with what they’re working on.

  • CaptObvious@lemmy.worldEnglish
    52·
    2 years ago

    Well done. I hope more of the fediverse follows suit. Facebook has a long way to go to restore trust – if that’s possible at all. They’re nowhere near that threshold yet.

  • nyternic@lemmy.worldEnglish
    47·
    2 years ago

    Look, Mark has royally screwed up Facebook. Any respect or honor with the guy has long been lost. Why even give him a second chance when it’s obvious he’s going to do the same thing with Threads?

    His Metaverse failed. His Facebook/Meta thing failed.

    He is a huge red alert to be involved or close to the very things we’re trying to recover and escape to from things he has contaminated. Why chance associating with him?

  • fross@lemmy.worldEnglish
    43·
    2 years ago

    It’s not about Zuckerberg, it’s about the userbase. With something that grew to 30 million users literally overnight, it’s impossible to determine what it will be like, and how it will mesh with the existing fediverse content/users.

    With something this scale, it only makes sense to secure and observe - pre-emptively block, watch the content, maybe even poll the users on what should be done. There is nothing to be lost this way, it’s only a cautious approach towards a potential later link.

    What could be lost is the Threads community overwhelms the lemmy community before there is a chance to react (it is 1000x bigger, after all). It makes sense to be cautious, here.

    This isn’t inconveniencing anyone, any user can make an account on Threads as well and use both right now.

  • paperbenni@lemmy.worldEnglish
    39·
    2 years ago

    Not sure what to think of this honestly. Like imagine a small email provider decided to block Gmail, that’s a death sentence. It’s impossible to get people to switch apps when they have to leave behind all of the content and people they used an app to interact with. And let’s be honest, threads is going to run at a loss for a long time to grow their userbase before they start pulling weird shit. We need to have a migration path when that happens, and if threads is blocked everywhere, people will lose their content and contacts upon switching, so they won’t do it.