Other than the actions Biden has already taken to get a ceasefire, including the one which happened, what specific actions would you suggest that wouldn’t damage his chances at the polls more than it gained him?
Stop giving billions of dollars of weapons for free to a country actively committing genocide.
Stop spreading false Israeli propaganda (“40 beheaded babies”, “only democracy in the middle east”, “human shields” etc)
When Israel commits war crimes on camera, criticize them publically instead of running defense for them.
Call up Netanyahu and tell him that, if he continues this war, the US will withdraw support for Israel. If it worked for Reagan, why can’t it work for Biden?
1: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
2: citation required. Shti posted in teh press are not in the control of the White House.
3: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
4: lil’ baby bibi hates Biden and loves Trump. He also knows that there is no way Biden would be stupid enough to make a threat he can’t back up. The political position and options are in no way similar to fifty years ago as anyone that knows anything about what Ronnie did knows. That is why it can’t work.
So the entire crux of your argument comes down to your opinion about how voters will react? And your opinion is that opposing genocide is pure stupidity?
No, the crux of my argument is that folks trying to teach a lesson by increasing the chances of an R victory in November learned nothing form 2016 and yes, that makes anyone making the claims you made is an idiot.
One of the lessons of 2016 is that running a historically unpopular center-right candidate is an easy way to lose to Trump.
Another lesson is that a candidate who skates through the primaries on arguments of electability and “it’s their turn” end up being poor candidates in the general election.
Maybe we could learn the lesson that chastising and berating anyone left of center does not win you votes, instead it supresses turnout. It is plain stupidity to go around treating leftists with contempt and hostility but then still expect us to vote lockstep with you.
Sadly it seems the DNC did not learn any lessons, because it’s making the same awful mistakes that led directly to President Trump.
Democrats need Trump as much as Republicans do. A big bogeyman like Trump keeps the oligarchy on both sides in power. Republicans can sell salvation, Dems sell fear, they both win, and the general public gets fucked
If the Democratic party believed Trump was an existential threat like most people do, they would have run a primary or done basically anything to show they actually thought he was a threat.
Instead, we get useful idiots like you responding, without citations or references, with ‘liar’ or ‘not relevant’ to actual historical parallels.
Fucking do some work. Earn the money you’re getting paid for this.
It was exactly the “teach the Democratic party a lesson” which was the only lesson from 2016. Hillary Clinton was not in a popularity contest. And yup, the exact same mistake is being made, but it isn’t the Democratic party’s to make as organizations don’t get a Vote in the General.
Clinton ignored important Midwest swing States, and ran the most inept election campaign I’ve ever seen.
It’s documented that they spent the next day figuring out that they’d blame the loss on Russian hackers to protect their consultant class.
At this point you are literally ignoring history to preemptively blame a group that isn’t responsible for the loss you and everyone else knows is coming.
Israel was carpet bombing Lebanon in 1982, Reagan called Begin demanding the bombing stop or their government welfare checks and US weapons imports stops. The bombing stopped.
Other than the actions Biden has already taken to get a ceasefire, including the one which happened, what specific actions would you suggest that wouldn’t damage his chances at the polls more than it gained him?
Stop giving billions of dollars of weapons for free to a country actively committing genocide.
Stop spreading false Israeli propaganda (“40 beheaded babies”, “only democracy in the middle east”, “human shields” etc)
When Israel commits war crimes on camera, criticize them publically instead of running defense for them.
Call up Netanyahu and tell him that, if he continues this war, the US will withdraw support for Israel. If it worked for Reagan, why can’t it work for Biden?
1: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
2: citation required. Shti posted in teh press are not in the control of the White House.
3: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
4: lil’ baby bibi hates Biden and loves Trump. He also knows that there is no way Biden would be stupid enough to make a threat he can’t back up. The political position and options are in no way similar to fifty years ago as anyone that knows anything about what Ronnie did knows. That is why it can’t work.
So the entire crux of your argument comes down to your opinion about how voters will react? And your opinion is that opposing genocide is pure stupidity?
Here is the citation you requested: Joe Biden keeps repeating his false claim that he saw pictures of beheaded babies
No, the crux of my argument is that folks trying to teach a lesson by increasing the chances of an R victory in November learned nothing form 2016 and yes, that makes anyone making the claims you made is an idiot.
One of the lessons of 2016 is that running a historically unpopular center-right candidate is an easy way to lose to Trump.
Another lesson is that a candidate who skates through the primaries on arguments of electability and “it’s their turn” end up being poor candidates in the general election.
Maybe we could learn the lesson that chastising and berating anyone left of center does not win you votes, instead it supresses turnout. It is plain stupidity to go around treating leftists with contempt and hostility but then still expect us to vote lockstep with you.
Sadly it seems the DNC did not learn any lessons, because it’s making the same awful mistakes that led directly to President Trump.
Democrats need Trump as much as Republicans do. A big bogeyman like Trump keeps the oligarchy on both sides in power. Republicans can sell salvation, Dems sell fear, they both win, and the general public gets fucked
There it is y’all! Downplay the danger of choosing the Russian useful idiot, conflate “bOtH sIdEs!”, and then blame the Democratic party.
Do you see Russians around every corner? This isn’t the fucking 1950s where everything that opposed the government was Russia.
If the Democratic party believed Trump was an existential threat like most people do, they would have run a primary or done basically anything to show they actually thought he was a threat.
Instead, we get useful idiots like you responding, without citations or references, with ‘liar’ or ‘not relevant’ to actual historical parallels.
Fucking do some work. Earn the money you’re getting paid for this.
It was exactly the “teach the Democratic party a lesson” which was the only lesson from 2016. Hillary Clinton was not in a popularity contest. And yup, the exact same mistake is being made, but it isn’t the Democratic party’s to make as organizations don’t get a Vote in the General.
Clinton ignored important Midwest swing States, and ran the most inept election campaign I’ve ever seen.
It’s documented that they spent the next day figuring out that they’d blame the loss on Russian hackers to protect their consultant class.
At this point you are literally ignoring history to preemptively blame a group that isn’t responsible for the loss you and everyone else knows is coming.
Maybe it’s time America has a reset if you have people trying this hard to apologize a genocide. Just get on with the civil war.
Good thing no one did so. But do enjoy your imaginary discussion.
You’re doing it all over this post.
It’s always the ones parroting propaganda that demand sources/citations
This is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve read in this thread.
Ronald Reagan stopped Israels invasion with a single phone call in 20 minutes
And no, it didn’t cost him votes.
This is such a helpless ‘well what can I do’ abdication of responsibility. It’s also completely ahistorical.
Congrats on your propaganda.
Well, Biden has always been to the right of Reagan on nearly every issue.
liar
If you’re getting paid for this, whoever is doing so deserves their money back.
You’re too incompetent for this to be trolling though.
The situation is in no way similar, but don’t let actual history interrupt your fantasy. Congrats on having fallen for propaganda.
Israel was carpet bombing Lebanon in 1982, Reagan called Begin demanding the bombing stop or their government welfare checks and US weapons imports stops. The bombing stopped.
It’s you thats fallen for propaganda.
not remotely relevant. You are simply parroting talking points either provided you for that purpose or you read from such.
Damn, that’s almost as cogent as your other response of ‘liar’.
Did Biden create his own Correct The Record department, but skimp on funding it?
They don’t have to fund it when shitlib trolls do the work for free.
Russia, Russia, Russia