We Asked A.I. to Create the Joker. It Generated a Copyrighted Image.::Artists and researchers are exposing copyrighted material hidden within A.I. tools, raising fresh legal questions.

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    9 months ago

    Copyright law is the right tool, but the companies are chasing the wrong side of the equation.

    Training should not and I suspect will not be found to be infringement. If old news articles from the NYT can teach a model language in ways that help it review medical literature to come up with novel approaches to cure cancer, there’s a whole host of features from public good to transformational use going on.

    What they should be throwing resources at is policing usage not training. Make the case that OpenAI is liable for infringing generation. Ensure that there needs to be copyright checking on outputs. In many ways this feels like a repeat of IP criticisms around the time Google acquired YouTube which were solved with an IP tagging system.

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      9 months ago

      Should Photoshop check your image for copyright infringement? Should Adobe be liable for copyright infringing or offensive images users of it’s program create?

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        If it’s contributing creatively to your work, yeah, totally.

        If you ask Photoshop fill to add an italian plumber and you’ve been living under a rock for you life so you don’t realize it’s Mario, when you get sued by Nintendo for copyright infringement it’d be much better policy if it was Adobe on the hook for adding copyrighted material and not the end user.

        A better analogy is: if you hired a graphic designer and they gave you copyrighted material, who is liable?

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          If it’s contributing creatively to your work, yeah, totally.

          AI is not contributing creatively though, programs do not create.

          If you ask Photoshop fill to add an italian plumber and you’ve been living under a rock for you life so you don’t realize it’s Mario, when you get sued by Nintendo for copyright infringement it’d be much better policy if it was Adobe on the hook for adding copyrighted material and not the end user.

          I am speaking of Photoshop used as a non-AI tool as it has been used to commit copyright infringement for decades before Photoshop fill was a thing. Should it check if your image infringes on copyright?

          A better analogy is: if you hired a graphic designer and they gave you copyrighted material, who is liable?

          The graphic designer. If you went ahead and redistributed it you would also be liable. Whatever program he used or it’s developer wouldn’t be liable.

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            9 months ago

            AI is not contributing creatively though, programs do not create.

            You and I will have to agree to disagree on that Kool-aid, and it’s that disagreement which is core to the model provider being liable for introducing copyright infringement.

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        Did photoshop create a portion of my image? Did adobe add a “generate the picture I asked for, for me, without my input beyond a typed prompt” as a feature?

        Because if they did, 100% yeah, theyre liable.

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          They actually are not whether you use a prompt to generate the picture or a digitally paint it with a tablet.

          The user would be the one committing copyright infringement.

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      There’s no money for them in that angle though. It’s much easier to sue xerox for enabling copyright violations than the person who used the machine to violate copyright.

      Courts have already handled this with copy machines. AI isn’t terribly different, it’s unlikely these suits against model creators succeed.

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        9 months ago

        There’s money (and more importantly, survival) if they can ensure liability of Xerox for infringement on the use of their centralized copiers.

        There actually isn’t survival as a company even if they succeed on training but not the other, which I don’t think they realize yet.

        As an aside, one of the worst legal takes I read on this was from a GC at the Copyright office during the 70s who extensively used poor analogies to copiers to justify an infringement argument.