• Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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    They didn’t actually present any argument that this isn’t a genocide, nor did they even try to address anything the South African delegation have presented. This is state speech for “nuh uh”, so the only reason you could see that “they got it right” was if you just liked their conclusion.

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      That’s not how the legal system almost anywhere works, and especially not at the ICC.

      It’s the prosecution that had to present evidence for their claims.

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        The South African government presented evidence, and this German statement does not address it, aside from dismissing it as “political”. I have no experience with ICC’s laws, but I would suppose that calling the prosecution “political” is not a valid defense in the ICC bylaws.

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          South Africa you say? Is that the same South Africa that visited Bucha and still had little to nothing to say about genocide?

          Not saying anything about genocide in Gaza or not but fuck South Africa for the lack of action when it fits their business ties with Russia.

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      I agree with their conclusion, yes. When both sides of the conflict that the genocide statutes were written to address say that this is not a genocide, I find that very compelling.

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        Nazi Germany’s extermination camps are not the only genocides in history, nor does either entity have a special say in what a genocide is. Calling modern Germany the “side” of the Nazis is incredibly offensive, nor is Israel the “side” of the Jewish people. There are plenty of Jews around the world who have lost family in the Holocaust who very much do believe the term does apply.

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          Calling modern Germany the “side” of the Nazis is incredibly offensive

          Well they consider themselves to be atoning for it to this day and accept responsibility, as per the quote above. If you’ve ever been to Germany they don’t shy away from the connection or deny that the Nazis were German.

          There are plenty of Jews around the world who have lost family in the Holocaust who very much do believe the term does apply.

          A minority opinion, to be sure.