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I wish that proton would focus on the depth of their present stack, as opposed to breadth.
I’ve been begging for rclone support for proton drive for a long time now… without it, I basically have 1tb sitting there useless.
Same thoughts here. ProtonVPN under Linux is very poorly supported.
Wish I could up vote that 100 times!
It’s horrible. I’ve had to hack together a shell script to switch between countries using a bunch of openvpn config files. The official app broke my Linux Mint network setup.
Just out of curiosity. How is it poorly supported?
I haven’t used it much yet, but the times i have it seems to have worked fine.IIRC it’s missing a number of features that ProtonVPN Windows has. I last checked into it a year or so ago and the attitude was that it was a very shoddy application missing most features. I found this github issue expressing this sentiment but I don’t see much in terms of specifics.
I don’t have a paid ProtonVPN but I just downloaded the VPN on a free account and it only has 3 options on it:
- Secure Core on/off (only select servers in privacy-friendly countries)
- Netshield (DNS adblocking etc)
- Killswitch
I use Mullvad so I opened that up alongside and will list out the features it has on its Linux client in comparison:
- DNS adblocking
- Killswitch
- Wireguard
- Auto-launch on pc start
- Split tunnel support
- Local network split tunnel allowance
- Disable ipv6
- Custom DNS server
- Protocol obfuscation (UDP-over-TCP)
- Multihop servers
- Quantum-resistant tunnel (for Wireguard initialization)
The main ones for me are split tunneling and Wireguard. Using a VPN that doesn’t support these is a non-starter for me, unfortunately. If any of this is different when you have a paid ProtonVPN account let me know - I don’t have very much experience with it.
TBH, if protonVPN under linux was any good I would probably have Proton Unlimited. I can’t justify paying for Mullvad and Proton Unlimited, so I DIY my own collection of services to match functionality for about the same price.
I just had a look and as far as i can tell ProtonVPN suppports everything Mullvad does. On windows…
On linux you get fuckall settings. No split tunneling, no dns, no wireguard, no nothing. There seems to be no parity between linux and windows. That is less than poorly supported, it’s atrocious tbh.
On windows you even get a fancy map with triangles that shows server locations that can be used to quick connect.
And this is with an unlimited account so i don’t believe it’s an account level limit.Edit: I just looked and to be fair they do state in the plan features that Split tunneling is only available on Android and Windows
That’s crazy. Proton just not giving a fuck about Linux is a red flag for a privacy company.
At the very least it’s super weird.
I don’t get why they don’t focus on creating partity and add the bare minimum functions like sync for drive and split tunnel for vpn on all devices before spreading out to password managers and so on.
I’m slowly losing confidence in them.
Yeah its sucks. It is also based on Python and not stable as much as Mullvad.
Thanks for the in depth answer.
I think a paid account has more features, but i of course don’t know if they apply to the linux client.
I’ll check the features once i get on my pc and get back to you.
I might even spin up a windows VM to check the differences between the versions if i can find the time.
Any strong reasons to switch from KeePassXC?
Probably not.
KeepassXC with Syncthing is the best option I’ve found.
I’m a faithful Bitwarden user. No need to switch
I’m pretty sure the app is great, but I am not a fan of putting all my eggs in the same basket. I will keep using Bitwarden for the time being.
Same here. I’m fine using Proton for my mail & drive, but I also like keeping my passwords separate in bitwarden, and my 2fa separate in my raivo. A healthy separation is good.
Awesome! How does it compare to BitWarden?
It doesn’t have feature parity (yet?). If you’re happy with Bitwarden, I’d stick with it.
I’m all for open source alternatives to bitwarden but this is non competitive with a mandatory subscription fee. Bitwarden is completely free for most users.
I thought the same thing but it actually does have a limited free plan. Seems like, similar to BW, it restricts 2FA behind the pass, but also with the pass you get unlimited hide-my-email aliases, multiple vaults to organize in (I don’t know what this means), and eventually autofill credit cards.
This is quite a bit more expensive than BW’s paid plan though. Not sure what all differences it has to BW otherwise.
Been using Bitwarden for a few years now, but this one looks tempting. I suppose it has better UI and integrated 2FA sounds nice. Also I’m already a Proton Mail subscriber, so it could be nice addition to the ecosystem.
BitWarden has integrated 2FA.
What does 2FA authenticator mean? Is it a vault to store your 2FA seeds?
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yeah, although using a password manager as a 2FA provider sort of negates the “2F” part.
Depends. I use 1Password and let it store all my 2FA, because my 1Password login is secured with another 2FA.
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Great that it has an email alias feature built in. But I use 1Password and to me it’s been so great that it’d be really hard to convince me switching to something else.
For the record, Bitwarden also has email aliasing built-in when generating a username:
Yeah, but with Proton, the email service is built-in, while BitWarden relies on an external service (say a domain you use for catch-all).
Bitwarden supports AnonAddy, DuckDuckGo, Fastmail, Firefox Relay, and SimpleLogin. I use it with my paid SimpleLogin account using the SimpleLogin default email domain (configurable in your settings - can be a SL-owned domain or your own).
I’m guessing ProtonPass just uses SimpleLogin on the backend since SimpleLogin is owned by Proton. I don’t think there’s really much difference unless you count 1-party being an advantage instead of 2-party.
Edit: O there is a difference in cost - not sure if this is what you meant. Bitwarden+SL will cost more (assuming introductory $1/month pricing on ProtonPass)
It’s great that Bitwarden integrates with other services. It’s just very convenient to have it completely built in, especially for inexperienced users. You don’t need to do any setup, and if the password manager is smart enough to suggest using an alias automatically when a registration requires an email address, it’s a no-brainer.
How many inexperienced users are using a password manager with an email aliasing service?
2FA is a paid feature!
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