Donald Trump told the president of the European Commission in 2020 that the US would “never come help” if Europe was attacked and also said “Nato is dead”, a senior European commissioner said.
Multiple news outlets said the exchange between Trump and Ursula von der Leyen at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2020 was described in Brussels on Tuesday by Thierry Breton, a French European commissioner responsible for the internal market, with responsibilities including defence.
“You need to understand that if Europe is under attack we will never come to help you and to support you,” Trump said, according to Breton, who was speaking at the European parliament.
According to Breton, Trump also said: “By the way, Nato is dead, and we will leave, we will quit Nato.”
That individual actors constantly fixated on their own self-interest has resulted in global destabilization. This isn’t a global villainous cabal of American Republicans and Russian white nationalists and Italian / Japanese / Argentinian fascists. Its just a bunch of greedy cowards grasping at whatever they can get.
Arms dealing is absurdly lucrative, so it pulls in these vampires like an exposed artery. But if they can go back to minting bitcoins with public infrastructure or press-ganging migrant refugees into serf-like farm labor positions, they’ll do that too.
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But this can’t be denied. A lot of these guys, particularly at the highest levels, might have a shared class consciousness but they aren’t friends with one another. They routinely backstab and undermine each other for their positions.
There is a broad ideology that they all propagate, but when it comes time for a guy like Ted Cruz or Bob Menendez or Peter Thiel or Jamie Dimon to make a move, one will just as happily shiv the other to reach the next rung on the ladder. They aren’t loyal to their countries, as illustrated by how frequently they’ll sell everyone else out for a leg up. Nationalism is, at best, a defense mechanism behind which they can hide when they get caught doing something nakedly corrupt or socially destructive.
Putin is, himself, under the thumb of a cadre of fellow plutocrats in his own home country. Guys like Lisin and Abramovich have at least as much impact on his decisions as the Ellen Chao’s Foremost Group and Lachlan Murdoch’s FOX Corp have on Trump’s. And these players are all in an endless struggle for market dominance in their own spheres of influence, with Murdoch feuding against Brian Roberts of Comcast and Chao pitted against the Møller family that owns Maersk.
Yes, they all hate any kind of labor organizing. They all profit from the endless demand on their baskets of natural resources created by escalating conflicts in Europe and the Middle East. And they all want to have some kind of toddy in office, rather than a proper populist divorced from the demands of the wealthiest families.
But which toddy? Who gets the lion’s share of the profits? Which batch of proles get to fill the ranks of middle managers at the expense of their regional neighbors? Those questions decide who actually commands the economy at large. And they are far from settled.
I disagree. I think it’s a global cabal of Russo-aligned neo fascists. The KGB turned Trump in the 80s.
Wouldn’t be the first time someone suggested the world’s problems could be laid at the feet of a secret cabal of evil foreigners. Hell, this was at the heart of the Red Scares of the 1910s, the 1930s, and 1950s.
More likely the reverse. Trump was laundering money for the plutocrats that would eventually take over the Russian state, most likely on behalf of American intelligence or some other domestic private interests. The 80s and 90s made a lot of bag men a lot of money, from Jeffery Epstein to John Gutfreund to Carl Ichan to George Soros. But Trump is notably shit at his job, so he never approached the heights of his NY peers.
The two likely knew one another, given Putin’s rapid climb from mayor to parliamentarian to president. But Trump’s absolutely fucking shameless. What would you do to compromise him that his political opponents haven’t already lobbed out on the campaign trail? Dude was certainly taking bribes, particularly through the Kushner family. But “turned”? Fucking please.
That’s what you call it when you make someone your agent. Turned.
Its what you call it when you make someone else’s agent your own.
I’ve seen absolutely nothing to suggest Trump is loyal to anyone except himself.
Except Putin, though, you mean.
Again, I’d point you to Trump’s arms deals with Ukraine in '17. He had zero compunction playing both ends against the middle for personal profit, dumping kerosene onto a brewing civil war, and then dumping the mess into the lap of the next guy in office.
Trump didn’t help Ukraine at all, quite the opposite. Again, in furtherance of Russian interests.
He sold them $40M in anti-tank missile systems and his state department advocated on behalf of Ukraine’s petition to join NATO.
The sale of these weapons and the advancement of their NATO petition are very explicitly in opposition to Russia’s stated foreign policy.