It’s insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others.

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    I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.

    I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads

    This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.

    The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.

    Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.

    This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.

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    There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.

    It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.

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      This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.

      I’m german tho.

      By American standards it would be considered idyllic.

      As such, I do not believe american standards as per roads are anything to go by

      Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.

      That’s not really gonna stop anybody from speeding down the remaining lane(s) because they’re still very wide. It’s good for pedestrians, probably, don’t get me wrong, doesn’t really fight the speeding problem at all.

      This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.

      These do

      There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space.

      Those are very much spotwork as per slowing down cars. They work for that spot, yes. It is however absolutely not hard to accelerate a car again. This is a good idea to slow people down before a busy or a school crossing or something, the third picture especially is just going to lead to slow down / wait -> mash gas pedal

      We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america.

      True, but also nigh about the lowest bar to clear right after like Saudi Arabia.

      There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd.

      And you accuse me of living in some fantasy reality?

      In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.

      Same, could find similar features here by looking out my old apartments window. Hell, do you one better than that, we have shit like this

      Sorry for the grainy pictures, didn’t wanna spend that much time on google. Now that’s a road you can’t speed on, on account of many chicanes and other built up enviroments, not just the single one and then it’s open road before and after.

      Doesn’t mean the rest of it isn’t incredibly car brained and hostile, and as such, transportation by foot or cycling sucks major ass.

      If your vision of not being carbrained is “do better than the USA”, yeah, you’re there, but that shouldn’t be the end goal