“My religion doesn’t let me do xyz” - fair nuff, respekt
“My religion doesn’t let you do xyz” - fuck off
Unfortunately they believe that their god will punish everyone (them included) even for other people’s misconduct in the community. Ancient Judaism has this principle and the old testament is full of examples of this, but this caused no big harm outside the Jewish community because it only applies to “the elected people” and not to everyone in the world. The problem started with Christianity, more in detail with St. Paul’s doctrine of ecumenism, which extended to everyone this dangerous belief. With consequences we are still paying 2000 years after.
That’s a great point. Christian moral evangelism is partly to avoid bearing collective punishment, which is itself unjust.
And also at odds with anyone who wants to respect the religion but not partake of the religion or its tenets. You can’t not want to be subject to the laws or tenets of the religion because the religion is predicated on swaying non-believers to believe by pretty much any means necessary. So if you aren’t a believer you should be. That’s the logic. You aren’t following the tenets of the religion and they believe you should be. They believe it’s the only way to gain their God’s acceptance and love.
There are plenty of prohibitions I’m happy enough to live with.
Had scripture contained a verse in which the Archangel Gabriel alighted upon a banister and declared “Hark! Thy vehicles hath moveth’d too fastly through school zones! Narry shall thou exceed 20mph lest the heavens frown and the Lord look down upon his high chair and be displeased. Let the men of the highway patrol assess thee prohibitionary fines to deter speeding and incarceration of those that do both speed and strike a child!”, compelling legions of traffic cops and their fellow travelers to enforce the rule within 200ft of any school zone, I would not begrude it.
But so much of modern religious theory is so incredibly dated. Its perfectly okay to eat shellfish now. You don’t need to butcher a cow exactly right or get all sorts of nasty diseases. We abolished chattel slavery, so you don’t need special rubrics for how to sell off your children or assign out your spouses.
The religiousity of the rules bothers me far less than the anti-democratic nature of decision making.
I will always be offended by stupidity.
There are smarter people than both you and me who think some of our ideas are stupid. How do you feel about offending them?
I’m also offended by my own stupidity. I’m sorry for everyone that I offend.
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Being a bit harsh to cats and dogs over here.
I’m a little confused by you trying to compare human intelligence to animal intelligence, even though they are very different things.
I’d like to ask for the reasons they think my ideas are stupid, and then heavily consider their position.
Why not? Why isn’t it offensive that people follow gods that hate without any proof at all that those gods exist? I think that’s pretty offensive. Their following these religions and churches causes pain, suffering, hate, death, and genocide.
Time to stop giving a free pass to people supporting religious hate groups because they’re religious.
Why isn’t it offensive that people follow gods that hate without any proof at all that those gods exist? I think that’s pretty offensive.
In a free society you’re free to be offended. You’re not free to use that offense to deny other people’s beliefs (however wrong we individually find them).
Their following these religions and churches causes pain, suffering, hate, death, and genocide.
So you’re going to decide which things are going to be allowed to be followed by everyone by your own set of rules, and use force of law to make it happen? Don’t you see that’s doing the same thing the OP’s meme is speaking against?
I think you are twisting their words. “Stop giving free pass” in this context means to criticize them and say it is wrong thing to do. “Be offended”. Not “use force of law”.
IMO, the force of law should come down when they try to force their beliefs onto everyone else- for example, abortion. technically, abortion restrictions are mostly religious laws… and are technically forbidden by the first amendment.
but generally, nobody should force another to believe different than they do. If reason and logic and gentle persuasion aren’t enough… then that’s okay. (incidentally, they’re the ones using aggressive tactics, more often than not.)
Their following these religions and churches causes pain, suffering, hate, death, and genocide.
Yeah, partly because they use their religion as an excuse to ignore problems. We’re changing the environment in our entire planet, our only possible home, in dangerous and sometimes irreversible ways, and they’ll say “I’m not worried, it’s in God’s hands.”
I was talking to one of them and they were trying to deny that the climate is changing. When I called them out for being ignorant they just said “well, the Lord Jesus is coming back so it’s fine.”
No. Faith isn’t a virtue. People voluntarily deluding themselves, is offensive.
Sure, most people had this passed down to them, but there is no part of religion worthy of respect.
To believe in something which is not real, however seemingly innocuous, disconnects how a person makes decisions from the truth. When a person lives their life that way, they will cause unnecessary harm to themselves and others
Faith could even said to be foolish. The Bible contradicts itself on that point though. Proverbs 1:7 says
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
But is it wise to accept instruction or alleged wisdom from somebody who has not proven their knowledge, or even their existence? Seems foolish to me. Even the idea of fearing the lord is foolish after so many years of no evidence.
Yeah, this is what bugs me the most to be honest. Believe in whatever, we can discuss it, your beliefs, mine, etc., bit don’t try and make me a believer.
I used to be ambivalent to proselytising but eventually I realise that it makes the proselytising religion have superiority complex. They basically tell you that “you’re not good enough until you join us”, especially with the Christian rhetoric that you’re a sinner and could only be saved by becoming Christian. I’m not sure about Islam but they also proselytise like Christianity does.
It continues to amaze me how religious ministries can simultaneously appeal to ignorance ( We don’t what’s out there or what God wants ) and yet presume that their scripture is the inerrant, sacred stuff, and the there own, specific interpretation of that scripture and prioritization of passages, etc. is what should be treated as objective law.
This is why it sounds like a giant MLM, whether we’re talking the caliphate of Iran or the Roman Catholic Church or the Southern Baptist Convention or any of the countless apologists.
Nobody knows. Except the scientific sector has observed it can’t detect the spirit realm, even when it can detect the Higgs boson and the background radiation of the big bang. Miracles, ghosts, angels and demons neither emit, absorb nor reflect or refract light or heat, have no electromagnetic signature and exhibit no mass. They make nor absorb sound. The supernatural is as elusive as dark energy or dark matter, a component in mathematical models to explain discrepancies we don’t fully understand, and like the Bermuda Triangle of the 1970s, we’re finding supernatural phenomena no longer accounts for anything significant.
But dark matter hasn’t allegedly inspired holy text to be interpreted by ministers in fancy buildings.
this post is the best, rather than only hatespeech to one or some relegion or organization or community
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Heard horrible things about the r/atheism subreddit. r/dankchristianmemes was where it was at.
I kinda agree, but I tend to just leave it be. A lot of people have been damaged permanently by religion. Personally for me it only really wrecked my ability to pursue romantic religions and tanked my self esteem, but that’s nothing compared to sexual abuse etc others experienced. For some, such hatred is reasonable due to trauma.
oh no, im really sorry to know that you have to struggle with that, hope your life will get better with whatever decisions you make in the future,
throughout my life I have seen many bad things that people have done, some of them adhere to a religion and some of them are atheists, so what I mean is whoever the person is, if he is a jerk he is still a jerk, whatever beliefs he holds , not all people who follow a religion are good and not all people who are atheists are bad and vice versa
we cannot generalize our views about what is right and what is wrong to everyone, everyone has their own version of right and wrong,
So what I hate are stupid people and jerks
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I’m Jewish clergy, and I wholeheartedly agree with this message. I can’t stand people who jam beliefs down people’s throats, and I vowed to never do so in the communities I serve.
Seez I think God doesn’t give a shit
Believers are always expect respect but never respect any other beliefs and most of the case they won’t see you as a human being
Because respect to them means authority. And what they mean is “respect my authority or I won’t respect you as a person”.
The fundamental nature of belief. Holding a deep conviction in a set of laws or ideals and surrounding yourself with like-minded ideologues will result a certain amount of collective confidence. And that confidence leads to people taking action.
I definitely get not wanting zealots to run roughshod over civil society, But it might be worth noting how much of civil society was built and continues to be maintained by people will deep convictions working in large groups.
That’s a wide generalization…
This is a pretty dank Atheist meme praise science
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This, but as with everything there is a lot of nuance.
Forgive me for treading the line on Rule 1 but I’ll also be the first to stand up for marginalized and minority religious groups. Part of my moral philosophy is to stand up for the underdog whenever possible, even if that underdog gets angry at pictures of muhamed. Also, though, those groups should have to pay their proper taxes and not get any religious exemptions from local authority unless doing so doesn’t incur any added cost to the community.
Sorta just sounds like society in general
