• girlfreddy@lemmy.ca
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        11 months ago

        Religion can be toxic, but so can non-religious nations like Russia under Putin.

        The real shit is money and power - those are what kill and lie and steal from the billions of us who haven’t yet got to the point of revolution.

        If nothing else we know it’s coming … and when it does it’ll be massive and worldwide.

        • sailingbythelee@lemmy.world
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          11 months ago

          Putin embraces the Russian Orthodox Church as part of his nationalism. Also, Russia is only 13% atheist. Hardly a non-religious nation.

          But, you’re right, power is the real point. Religion is just one of the most hateful methods of justifying and maintaining power.

          Democracy with socially regulated capitalism, in our experience, has a lighter touch and has thus far provided a lot of benefits to the vast majority of people.

          You mention revolution, but don’t specify from what or to what? Revolutions have a way of not going quite the way the idealists hope they will.

        • MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world
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          So, you’re close but wrong country. Russia tried to get rid of religion but failed. The Russian Orthodox Church just kind of became part of the government. That’s why you see the priests blessing Russian weapons and stuff.

          China on the other hand did get rid of religion pretty successfully. The reason communism strives to get rid of religion is because when people aren’t arguing over who’s imaginary supernatural friend loves his people more. It’s easier to get them to agree on things.

          Now, I’m not going to pretend that this is a perfect plan. After all successfully getting rid of religion comes with a whole new set of pitfalls. But, I personally think the pros outweigh the cons.

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          11 months ago

          Russia is 72% Eastern Orthodox by population. The US is estimated to be ~63% split between flavors of christianity, for comparison.

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          11 months ago

          Bad people do bad things.

          But for a good person to do bad things, that takes religion.

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            11 months ago

            But for a good person to do bad things, that takes religion.

            This sounds like it’s a prerequisite to be good before becoming religious … which historically is not the case.

            Child molesters who entered the priesthood were not “good” before using the shelter of the Church to rape children.

            Being “good” or “bad” is a conscious, moral decision which is maintained by every person choosing what is of the utmost importance for their life … selfish fulfillment or altruism.

            … this is, ofc, setting aside mental health issues that do not allow some to make rational conscious decisions.

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              11 months ago

              This sounds like it’s a prerequisite to be good before becoming religious … which historically is not the case.

              No, it’s saying if you are good, religion can make you do bad and that bad people will do bad regardless of religion.

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      11 months ago

      Like the ones the Afghan schoolgirls won’t be allowed to read?

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      11 months ago

      read a book

      Bible, Koran, Torah, Book of Mormon, The Vedas… you know there’s actually a lot of objectionable shit in all of these.

      I wonder if you meant some other books that support your ideals, jokes on me for reading the source materials instead I suppose.

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      11 months ago

      Yes sir! Only Bible!

      Anyway, pretty fucking weird society where they have to wrap 6th grade girls from head to toe to avoid feeling attracted to them.