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U.S. President Donald Trump said he wants to open denuclearization talks with Russia and China, revisiting an issue he previously raised as he also seeks to restart stalled diplomacy with North Korea.
“One of the things we’re trying to do with Russia and with China is denuclearization, and it’s very important,” Trump told reporters ahead of his meeting on Monday with South Korean President Lee Jae Myung at the White House.
“I think the denuclearization is a very — it’s a big aim, but Russia is willing to do it, and I think China is going to be willing to do it too. We can’t let nuclear weapons proliferate. We have to stop nuclear weapons. The power is too great,” Trump said.
At a separate White House event earlier on Monday, Trump said he had raised the issue with Russian President Vladimir Putin. He did not share specific details on when the conversation took place.
“We’re talking about limiting nuclear weapons. We’ll get China into that,” Trump said.
“China is way behind, but they’ll catch us in five years. We would like to denuclearize. It’s too much power, and we talked about that also,” Trump added.
The U.S. president’s comments come as he expressed his desire to meet with North Korea’s leader Kim Jong Un this year.
Kim has ignored Trump’s repeated calls since the Republican president took office in January to revive the direct diplomacy
I’m pretty sure that’s because the US dropped their end of the bargain. Can anyone find the direct press release from the DPRK?
Trump pursued during his 2017–2021 term in office, which produced no deal to halt North Korea’s nuclear program. Trump had first laid out his intention to pursue nuclear arms control efforts in February, saying he wanted to begin discussions with both Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping about imposing limits on their arsenals.
Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office at the time, Trump said denuclearization would be a goal of his second term and that he hoped to get started in the “not too distant future”.
The renewed focus on nuclear arms control comes as the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or New START, is set to expire on February 5, 2026. The treaty, signed in 2010, is the last remaining nuclear arms agreement between the U.S. and Russia and limits the number of strategic warheads and delivery systems each side can deploy.
Russia warned earlier this year that prospects for renewing the treaty appeared dim. Under Trump’s predecessor, then-President Joe Biden, the U.S. had pushed China to engage in formal nuclear arms talks, but made little progress.
Again, I’d like to see what Russia and China said.
I doubt he has enough control over the national security state to pull it off, but critical support nonetheless.
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When the US says “denuclearization” they mean “You get rid of your nukes and we keep ours.”
Figures.
I never thought for a moment that it would happen, but I did think that maybe Trump had the idea to delete all strategic nuclear weapons on Earth (before the Pentagon talked him out of it five minutes later).
Kim has ignored Trump’s repeated calls since the Republican president took office in January to revive the direct diplomacy
lol why would he pick up the phone? The last 100 years has shown that if you’re making deals with the US you’ve already lost. Negotiating with the US is like negotiating with a vampire who promises not to bite you if you let them in.
The DPRK has been acting as if we are in the beginning stages of the next world war for a couple years now, and i really trust their judgement on that. Theyve been being super catious like even more so than usual. I think they know something we dont.
Lets start with the country that has actually used it on people.
So our cool golden dome can plausibly intercept 200 warheads, how about we reduce armament level to that
Really the only thing these talks are for. Such an obvious ulterior motive.
That and to cast Russia/China as intransigent, suspicious, untrustworthy and hostile if they don’t agree in order to pave the way for justifications to expand our own and/or the golden dome by saying we tried peace but now the only choice is spending $5 trillion dollars on re-vitalizing the nukes, building more, and building the massive interceptor system in space, land, sea, etc.
What worries me is they may have already made a decision to use nukes and consider it a given that Russia/China won’t agree and just want some plausible cover to build up this system, to act like they’re just being oh irrational belligerent America again doing a thing when this time they’re serious about using it, then count on launching a surprise nuclear attack on China and/or Russia, limit their own nuclear response by catching them by surprise and use this system to they believe blunt enough of the retaliation that does get launched to be winners (in the words of that general from Dr Strangelove “minimal and acceptable casualties therefore making us the winners, uh 10-20 million tops depending on the breaks”). Whether this system works or not is not the problem so much as if the planners believe it does and launch the attack.
The alarming thing of course being how much MAD is disregarded these days and how determinedly the US is moving forward with first strike/decapitating strike capabilities along with extensive early warning, monitoring nets over air and sea to say nothing of extensive land monitoring via their satellite network. One side and it is the US unfortunately has a massive advantage for early detection and even tracking movement of these assets compared to the others and it’s one that has grown with partnerships in the Pacific and the expansion of NATO eastward.
Their determination to break MAD should be reason enough for the Chinese and Russians to dismiss such talks until such time the US takes down the level of its unfair advantage against both Russia and China first as a good faith move. The US encircles both of them not the other way around. Its talk of “mad north korean threat of rogue suicidal nuke strikes” is enough for the gallery of rubes in the audience but is not a fitting explanation on the international stage at the highest diplomatic level for its efforts in this field.
We were at a basic stalemate with a meaningful US advantage at the end of the cold war and rather than leave that status quo of MAD in place the US went out of its way to expand its advantage and continues to press that leading Russians to need to talk of bizarre and perhaps impractical at scale undersea hypersonic nuclear powered defense evading weapons and more recently more practical nuclear powered long-flying fire and wait for up to a year nuclear-powered nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
The need is not to get rid of nukes as that’s not going to happen, it’s for the US to stop pressing aggressively to diminish the utility of the nukes that exist and pushing Russia and China into an arms race that requires these dangerous new launch and forget perhaps autonomous even nuclear weapons that circle and circle and wait for the go order. And the US is unwilling to negotiate on that or even bring it up, it chafes at the very notion that it doesn’t have a given right to hegemony and a first mover advantage in detection and first strike time compared to its enemies as well as increasingly a right to interception systems greater than those of adversary peer powers.
Gold—the strongest metal known to man!
Is the question ever even mentioned if the US will denuclearize?
I assumed it was implied but I guess my expectations were too high lol.
Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.
Well said, Mister President.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
“We can’t let nuclear weapons proliferate. We have to stop nuclear weapons. The power is too great,” Trump said.
Trump actually means that no country should have nuclear weapons except the United States.
The renewed focus on nuclear arms control comes as the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or New START, is set to expire on February 5, 2026. The treaty, signed in 2010, is the last remaining nuclear arms agreement between the U.S. and Russia and limits the number of strategic warheads and delivery systems each side can deploy.
I wonder if Trump will let New START expire and bald-face lie that he’s “working on a better deal”.
I can’t imagine the US accepting weapons inspectors from Russia and China, which would be a prerequisite for any fair deal IMO.
Now has surely never been a better time for solid, trustworthy denuclearization treaties. Nothing at all has happened recently that would make any country doubt future integrity of those treaties. /s
Trump shredded the JCPOA with Iran and (his CIA) attacked Russia’s strategic nuclear bombers. What else?
Ukraine agreed to de-arm as long as Russia agreed to never attack it
The Budapest Memorandum also stipulated non-intervention from the West and was voided with respect to Ukraine by the 2014 coup IMO.
Did Ukraine have the codes for the old Soviet weapons, or just the bombs themselves?
Moscow had the codes, but a state actor could eventually get around that by rebuilding the launch system.
Reminder that this guy went on national TV while he was Trump’s NatSec Advisor in 2018 and directly addressed Kim Jong Un to demand that North Korea KEEP its nuclear weapons and threatened to violently sexually assault Kim Jong Un to death as retaliation for denuclearization
I’m sorry, what?
He essentially told him to remember what happened to Gaddafi, that the US would follow the Gaddafi model. Uninformed watchers would interpret it as anti-nuclear, and it was meant to sound like it was for the fox news audience, but it was well understood in NK.
Where did the SA come in?
Very cool, now do Israel
He do be flipflopping (pulled out of INF in 2019, now this).
This would be for a hypothetical “New START II” trilateral nuclear arms limitation/reduction treaty between Russia, China, and the United States. The current New START treaty expires on 5 February 2026, and Russia suspended their participation in New START on 21 February 2023. It’s not about full denuclearisation or anything like that.
I think it has a good chance of going ahead, no one really wants to do a nuclear arms race (spending lots of money on weapons that will never be used), and it will give the US and Russia an opportunity to set a cap on China’s arsenal before they can challenge the US and Russia in this domain.
c’mon guys lets take the safeties off and have a REAL war
U.S. President Donald Trump said he wants to open denuclearization talks with Russia and China
I actually laughed out loud.
