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thehatfox@lemmy.world to World News@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 years ago

Falkland's sovereignty 'not up for discussion' Britain warns after new Argentinian president vows to 'get them back'

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Falkland's sovereignty 'not up for discussion' Britain warns after new Argentinian president vows to 'get them back'

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Rishi Sunak has ruled out any new negotiations over the Falkland Islands and Argentina's new President pledged to "get them back".
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    There was a fight for them and they’re still British. There was a referendum and the islanders overwhelmingly want to stay British.

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      The UN asked Great Britain to give the island back to Argentina, but they refused.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute

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          UK twice offered Argentina to take the matter to the International Court of Justice

          Still couldn’t find any citiation to your statement, but I did find this …

          https://www.ejiltalk.org/why-the-falklands-dispute-will-probably-never-go-to-court/

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_502

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            I’m not sure that this link really helps your case, given these key points from the description:

            The resolution by the British representative, Ambassador Sir Anthony Parsons

            demanded an immediate cessation of hostilities between Argentina and the United Kingdom and a complete withdrawal by Argentine forces

            Resolution 502 was in the United Kingdom’s favour by giving it the option to invoke Article 51 of the United Nations Charter and to claim the right of self-defence

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              I’m not sure that this link really helps your case

              The parts you quoted were about self-defense and stopping the fighting, not about the ownership of the islands.

              I quote it because it also talks about negotiations that should be begun when it comes to the ownership of the islands, in lieu of continuing the fighting.

              I’m already on record about stating that the fighting was wrong, though I don’t know how long anyone would expect a nation to wait for a diplomatic solution.

              This press release from the UN goes into more detail on the basic structure of what I’m arguing about: https://press.un.org/en/2021/gacol3347.doc.htm

              (I really shouldn’t bother with attempting nuanced conversation on the Internet, it never ends well.)

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                Negotiations are great, but surely you realize that Argentina shouldn’t expect (or want) to gain sovereignty over the Falklands?

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                  but surely you realize that Argentina shouldn’t expect (or want) to gain sovereignty over the Falklands

                  No, quite the opposite actually. I believe they have more of a claim to the islands than anyone else, via Spain’s ownership of said lands that Argentina inherited when they gained their independence from Spain, as well as the proximity to Argentina, and finally to the fact that Great Britain was speaking with Argentina about turning them over, before the stupid war was started.

                  Now, having said that, IANAL, so don’t know what the law would say about that. Really don’t think we’ll resolve the issue here on Lemmy.

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                    I fail to see any tangible benefits of ceding islands inhabited almost exclusively by British and French people to a former Spanish colony, but perhaps you know more than I do.

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              It also talked about the starting negotiations to discuss the future of the Islands, aka return them (because I doubt they would have gone with a timeshare/co-op plan.

              There’s been other UN discussions on the matter as well: https://press.un.org/en/2021/gacol3347.doc.htm

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                Why return or timeshare/coop, why not sovereignty under British support which is happening right now. And which the people staying there demand.

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        You keep saying this, I’m starting to question your ability to read or understand english.

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        That’s what you understood after reading the page you linked?

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          The UN asked Great Britain to give the island back to Argentina, but they refused.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute

          That’s what you understood after reading the page you linked?

          I should have been more precise in my language, and that say that the UN wanted them to negotiate a peaceful end to the war and ownership, but generally speaking, yes, based on follow up votes/press releases that the UN made on the subject (like this one).

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