• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    The IDf operates behind every civilian in Israel - which means every civilian in Israel is a “human shield” for the Israeli state.

    That’s an interesting take on it. I don’t think that’s how the idea of human shield is usually viewed. It’s usually more direct, operating from a place with civilians so you don’t get bombed or literally forcing someone to stand between you and your enemy or something.

    While we’re at it, we might just as well declare every 9/11 victim a US “human shield,” too.

    How exactly?

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      1 year ago

      That’s an interesting take on it. I don’t think that’s how the idea pure propaganda of human shield is usually viewed deployed for the consumption of Israeli-loving white supremacists.

      Fixed that for you.

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          1 year ago

          Again… if that is what Hamas has (supposedly) done, then there is no reason not to designate every civilian in Israel, the US or any NATO member state as “human shields” as well.

          Pick your propaganda and stop being a hypocrite about it.

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            1 year ago

            I find it interesting that you can’t give a straight answer to whether you believe they’ve used human shields or not. I think it’s undeniable they’ve done that.

            then there is no reason not to designate every civilian in Israel, the US or any NATO member state as “human shields” as well

            I’m sorry but that doesn’t make sense. A human shield has an actual meaning, it’s not just all civilians in general.

            Pick your propaganda and stop being a hypocrite about it.

            Indeed. I’m pretty straightforward in that I condemn the use of human shields, full stop.

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              1 year ago

              I find it interesting that you can’t give a straight answer

              This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

              A human shield has an actual meaning

              The only “meaning” it has is the one assigned to it by white supremacist propaganda and the white supremacists swallowing this propaganda.

              I think it’s undeniable they’ve done that.

              So you admit that 9/11 was an entirely justified attack? You know… as the US was (and still must be) using every civilian in the US as “human shields”?

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                1 year ago

                This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

                So you don’t think they’ve used human shields?

                The only “meaning” it has is the one assigned to it by white supremacist propaganda and the white supremacists swallowing this propaganda.

                Idk, seems a bit strange to count all the people on this article as white supremacists. Especially since “The concept of human shields as a resistance measure was created by Mahatma Gandhi as a weapon of resistance.”

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield

                So you admit that 9/11 was an entirely justified attack? You know… as the US was (and still must be) using every civilian in the US as “human shields”?

                I didn’t even agree with your strange definition of human shield, how in the hell did you think I’d agree with this bizarre non sequitor is beyond me

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                  Tell you what… I’ll just keep repeating it until it penetrates through all the right-wing brain-rot that has taken up residence in your head, okay? So here…

                  This is as straight as it gets, genius - I’m not the one buying into white supremacist propaganda… you are.

                  white supremacists.

                  Only white supremacists swallow white supremacist propaganda. It’s as simple as that.

                  I didn’t even agree

                  In other words… you admit the 9/11 attack was entirely justified as it claimed only “human shields.”

                  See how easy it is to not be a hippocrate?

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                    1 year ago

                    I’m not sure what you find to “right-wing white supremacist” about the overall concept. Could you explain? Here’s the quick and dirty definition from Wikipedia:

                    “A human shield is a non-combatant (or a group of non-combatants) who either volunteers or is forced to shield a legitimate military target in order to deter the enemy from attacking it.”

                    Tell you what… I’ll just keep repeating

                    I did notice you don’t really try to argue for your position, rather just repeating the same thing again and again. Not answering straight questions or bothering to engage with the actual arguments from the other side.

                    It’s very internet, so to say.

                    In other words… you admit the 9/11 attack was entirely justified as it claimed only “human shields.”

                    No on both of those. How you define human shields is beyond me. Could you define it for me, so I know where our understanding of the concept differs?

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      1 year ago

      Because it’s just as disingenuous and disgusting to imply as what you’re implying.

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        I’ll have to ask you to explain what you think I’m implying. You might’ve misunderstood me, since I don’t think I’ve said anything that could be taken for “disingenuous and disgusting”.