Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement to free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.

  • osarusan@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    16
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    If you’re given the option to lessen the chance of the greatest evil happening by merely pushing a button, and you think “naah I’m not gunna,” then you absolutely should feel shame. If your inaction supports the greater evil coming to power, absolutely shame on you.

    • doctorcrimson
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      I, for one, accept this fact alongside the ugly truth that Biden is alienating a non-negligible amount of voters which puts into question his chance of winning the needed 1 or 2 of the 5 undecided swing states for an EC victory. I’m at a loss for what to do about the situation, seems like there isn’t a clear solution.

      • osarusan@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Exactly. I don’t even have any argument for people who dislike Biden, and I totally sympathize with people who want a different candidate.

        But in the end of the day, either A or B will win this election, and anything other than a vote for A mathematically works out to support for B. So unless you actually want Trump to win, the _only _reasonable choice is to vote for Biden.

        • doctorcrimson
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          But how do we tell that to people who will decide not to vote or who will vote third party?

          • osarusan@kbin.social
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            I don’t know. I’ve it out rationally several times to people who then get angry and emotional about it. These purity test commenters are the same way. Their position isn’t based on reason, and it often seems like showing reasoning to them won’t change their mind. But fighting certainly won’t help either.

            I think the thing you gotta do is just remain as non-confrontational as possible and explain the game theory/the math behind why it works. And let them know it’s not a condemnation of their dislike of the system, or of Biden, or of whatever. You can hate something and still vote for it, and that can still be the best choice too. Just don’t fall for the bait from those commenters who think their being cute by picking fights or turning it personal. Keep it rational. Maybe the person you’re talking to won’t change their mind, but a 3rd person who reads the conversation later on might see how you’re being rational and making points while the other guy is just being stubborn, argumentative, and irrational.

      • PugJesus@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        Unfortunately, support for Israel is also widespread in the US, so in either case, Biden loses votes. From a domestic and strategic political perspective, there are no right answers.

        • doctorcrimson
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          1 year ago

          I think support for Israel among his actual constituents is overstated, and would also sharply decline in the case of the president and senate condemning and punishing Israel for their crimes, but I can’t say anything with certainty these days.

        • Skua@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Surely this can be spun as saving Israeli lives for those people? Sure, it’s going to save way more Palestinians, but you’d think it can be marketed as “I brokered the deal that saved the Israeli hostages”