The time to come together in unity and compassion was the election. That’s long since passed now. He showed everyone exactly who he was while campaigning for his first presidency, and every single second since then.
If you were still unsure about his leadership qualities, his first presidency was filled with him throwing others under the bus, telling blatant, significant lies with every speech, betraying our allies for political gain, bungling the pandemic response and needlessly destroying hundreds of thousands of lives, spending more time golfing than doing his job, and concluded with him attempting to overturn the election by pressuring states, participating in an illegal scheme that involved fake electors, and inciting an insurrection at the nation’s capitol. Oh, and he was impeached twice.
But if racism is the final straw for you to stop supporting this draft-dodging, ableist, lying, rapist, 34-count convicted felon, great; but that was on display, too. He called places with brown and black populations “shithole countries”, issued a ban on immigration from Muslim countries, criticized Puerto Rico and dragged his feet on helping them after a devastating hurricane, pardoned Arizona racist Joe Arpaio, convicted for his illegal “worst pattern of racial profiling in US history” (DoJ), harshly cracked down on peaceful Black Lives Matter protestors, including tear-gassing them at a church to disperse them and use the location as a photo-op.
I won’t go through all the examples, but the end result is if you voted for him in 2024, you either ignored or approved of his racism. Unfortunately, it’s now affecting many innocent people, some of whom you know…
So the guy who has been stiffing contractors for the last 50 YEARS, the guy who calls our servicemen “suckers and losers” the guy who openly bragged about just how hard he was going to fark us all over, the guy who shits in a GOLD TOILET doesn’t care about YOU?
That must have come as quite a shock.
Oh save your fucking tears. Your daddy wouldn’t be dying in ICE custody if it wasn’t for you.
Can anyone explain how people with undocumented immigrants in their family were tricked into voting for trump? Makes zero sense to me.
Morons, they are morons.
I wouldn’t rule that out, but I also wouldn’t jump straight to that conclusion. Spanish news media in this country is beyond screwed, it skews even more right-wing as a rule than English mainstream media, in my opinion. During the 2020 election, I would watch the news on Univision with my mother-in-law sometimes, and would see them just not translate something a democrat said in English that didn’t fit their agenda, misrepresent what they said in the translation, or selectively omit things they said to make their remarks sound much more sinister and authoritarian than what they actually said. They were also constantly pushing right-wing conspiracies that had been debunked weeks or months prior, with no mention of their having been disproven.
I would constantly have my mother-in-law coming to me asking about these old ass conspiracies, because with her only knowing Spanish, that would be the first time she heard of them, and she was shocked we weren’t freaking out about it.
More leaning to the morons side, despite how Fox likes to portray immigrants as a monolithic group of rabid socialist and commies backing the Dems so they can destroy the constitution and get gulags up and running, a lot of immigrants from Latin America, Africa and the Caribbean have been fairly conservative, in my experience. A lot of them grew up heavily propagandized by right wing regimes in their home countries, many are much more religious than your average American by birth, and others have had negative experiences with nominally left-wing regimes in their home country that they can’t get over. The last one can be kind of understandable, but the other two drive me crazy.
Seems like we need some left leaning Spanish outlets
This is harsh but it definitely seems like a fundamental lack of critical thinking. I genuinely have trouble understanding this behavior otherwise.
I read somewhere that none of Trump’s talk of mass, indiscriminate deportation was translated, like in their Spanish language ads. All of the Spanish language ads were supposedly geared towards “nooooo lmao we’re only going to deport violent criminals and drug lords!”
Hmpf; propa mother fucking ganda style.
/ed:your comment is actually really insightful.
Same as many other trump voters, pure disillusion and desperation with the status quo. They buy the lie instead.
They’re lying. They weren’t tricked. Trump openly and repeatedly showed how he felt about immigrants of all kinds. Everyone knew it, everyone knows it, everyone will always know it.
What actually happened is that these people decided to focus on other things. They told themselves a story about how bad the Democrats are, perhaps, which isn’t that hard because there are so many dirty politicians in Washington.
Also, even immigrants can be racist. It’s easy enough for someone to think that the other group of “bad” minorities will be targeted, not their own, because they too want someone to spit on. The same thing is true for many poor white MAGA voters too, right? Trump’s policies are devastating for rural America, but if you’d rather have hate than healthcare, you’re getting what you voted for.
They’re lying. They weren’t tricked. Trump openly and repeatedly showed how he felt about immigrants of all kinds. Everyone knew it, everyone knows it, everyone will always know it.
This is a cruel delusion you tell yourself, obviously the people you are referring to exist and there are lots of them and they should be shamed the way you are shaming them but there are far more scared, desperate people who feel as total strangers in a crowd of faces that stare at them as if they don’t fit in that you casually throw under the bus along with the genuine fascists… and make that mistake at our peril my friend.
Plenty of people were tricked, no not everybody knew it, heck tons of people didn’t even know Biden had dropped out of the presidential race when they went into vote, and no matter how you feel about it I simply will not let you make negative conclusions about immigrants and other minorities that were tricked into voting against their interests without any actual evidence to back it up.
Cite your sources, or stop claiming that immigrants and others weren’t tricked. This is a toxic narrative and it must be stopped in its tracks.
It is our job as leftists to speak to these people who are afraid and say “don’t take my word for it, see how these people who claim to support you are trying to kill, maim and destroy you and your families”, and NOT our job to lambast these people for entering into a cruel battle royale for reasons we could only really ever judge if we were in their shoes and doing badly.
Not sure about this woman, but my naturalized citizen mother is not used to English so she just constantly watch anti-Democrat propaganda from WeChat. 🤷♂️
Edit: I mean we are all legal, but my dad is still a PRC citizen. My grandmother (mother’s mother) is still a PRC citizen too.
I guess people seem to just expect the rule of law to be upheld… 🤦♂️
There’s anti-democrat ads even on Chinese social apps?
In China, probably no.
But these ads/propaganda targeted at Chinese-Americans. The “Migrant Crisis” is one of the big things they push. Although, I’m not sure if that’s CCP doing it, or if its just a conservative dickhead in the US posting those shit, and WeChat merely amplifying it. My mom keep telling me about how "Democrats in NYC is letting too much ‘mentally ill’ homeless people live near Asian-American communities and about that prison they plan to build near NYC Chinatown.
Like why blame “Democrats”, thats more of a “politician” thing. A MAGAt would in power would build something worse, a MAGAt would just wall-in every non-white in a ghetto.
And there’s this rhetoric about “illegal immigrant stealing benefits”, like just tax the fucking rich already.
Yup; in general China stands to benefit most in the long-term with a second Trump administration. Economic projections are that they will take over the US as the world’s largest economy, and when that happens - it will shift global spheres of influence, especially with the US digging itself so far into debt and isolationism.
We’ve hosted a bunch of European exchange kids over the years, and they tell us that it already feels like the EU is realigning with China away from the US.
First time maybe, second term there is absolutely no excuse
Immigrant here. No english means same info from the internet. Usual thought process goes :
“Right are working class farmers so left must be the CEOs. Like in my country except they are switched. Makes sense.”
Some people (~30%) can’t separate reality from fiction.
Colonialism cannot simply subjugate minorities with violent force alone, it isn’t enough to turn people against their homes.
Colonialism must divide people with fear and make them pick sides against their heart so that the oppression of Colonialism is distracted from by the oppression of people hurting each other as they try to claw their way up through brutal racist, classist conditions all the while being lectured by white people.
It doesn’t have to make sense to you why people would vote against their interests, you must simply understand that it is essential for authoritarian control and thus rich people have gotten very good at convincing people to do it in the US.
You can only have a class based system where certain groups are excluded from enjoying decent lives if there is always a sales pitch being made to a minority group that if they betray their own interests to help white people come out on top again then they will be let into the white club. Whiteness dies without that and yet whiteness can never really let anybody in who isn’t white without dying itself.
Focus your anger on the immense incongrituities of this situation not the fact that it hurts people so bad they can’t see clearly with their heart anymore.
Fascists aren’t people. Logic and self interest does not apply.
It’s all libidnal desire to not think, a rejection of a world that demands they grow and change. A rejection of complexity, of knowledge, of responsibility.
Critical thinking does not apply. Their whole way of being runs counter to that. There is no self awareness, no imagination¹, not even self preservation.
Even what you and i think of as communication serves a different purpose for them. It’s like the husks from ‘mass effect’ but more so.
¹older versions of fascism actually had imagination. It was a thing. Filtered out; creates too much complexity.
Christianity is a social cancer.
Nah. Good luck with that though, dipshit.
This is so unnecessary. All she has to do is quit being such a cheapskate, and buy a pardon for a few million bucks. It’s really as simple as that. For $5 million he can even have a special gold HitlerPig citizenship card.
This one took me a second, genuine lol.
goooooooo fuck yourself Chica. This is what you voted for. Dumb cunt.
“don’t shoot yourself in the foot”
“Shoot yourself in the foot to Make America Great Again!”
“I’m telling you man, you shouldn’t shoot yourself in the foot”
Shoots themself in the foot
“WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH”
“Told you so”
So now that she’s personally affected by it she wants change lol. But trans people are illegal now so deep down it was still worth it to her.
No. We said the same thing for the last 8 years, and people like you thumbed your nose at us like little children. Consequences of your actions.
tbf these people have been misled by tons of lies and propaganda by the republican party
That’s fair.
But it’s also fair to call them what they are. Fucking idiots.
All the knowledge in the world is at everyone’s fingertips now. It’s a choice to be stupid as hell.
I got a typical public education. I’m not dumb enough to vote for Republicans.
I think the point of propaganda is that it works, so they don’t realize they’re stupid and need to look elsewhere.
They shove it down their throats that the other sources are all lies so they think they’re being smart, and it’s been happening their entire lives.
So while they’re idiots, I’m not sure how much of a choice it is for a lot of them. They were manufactured that way.
You need to have some intelligence to know how dumb you really are. The real criminals are the churches who back the grift thinking it will unleash some Christian utopia instead of the feudal system we left way back in the past when we decided Kings have got to go.
I said this exact same thing a couple weeks ago when someone was whining about “working class solidarity”. “Oh boo hoo they were conned and manipulated” How come I can consume the exact same media as them and see through the bullshit? I’m really supposed to feel sorry for them? We’ve been telling them for decades they’re being lied to; they enjoy it.
Sure, and they enjoyed participating in the hateful rhetoric and the discrimination of the outgroup that entire time, made them feel superior, until they found out they were part of the outgroup themselves.
It’s interesting that they’re still unable to see the connection between minority groups. For MAGA there is no difference between trans, Muslim, immigrant. They use the racism minority groups have against each other… and that’s how we got here today.
I think that there’s been more than enough time for these people to look into the man they’re supporting, definitely more than enough to sift through ‘fake news’.
See how that seems completely fucking unrealistic to expect from any MAGAt? Lies and propaganda work because the people absorbing it are actually too stupid to determine the truth and need someone to think for them.
They probably think they are getting the truth so they don’t think they need to look any further into it.
I have seen enough that I know I don’t like and I don’t agree in general with JD Vance, for instance, so I’m not going out to find redeeming qualities about him. I’m also not really watching things from him or trump for that matter. But, my brother who ended up going the opposite way of me politically, said the other day that Vance is “down to earth” and will likely go for president after trump. I see clips all the time of him speaking that show me he’s not down to earth, but I’m also not seeing clips of him tailored to show me that it is true.
I can imagine that if you’re only being fed the positive narratives of your side and only negative things about the “other” side you’re likely to think you already know what’s going on. We also know that both media and the almighty algorithms (like YouTube) will send you down these rabbit holes in the interest of views. If i don’t search, most of what I get about Vance from algorithm based social media are the memes with his distorted face. If that’s all you see, you’re probably coming away with the impression that this guy is a joke. So if you tell me he’s competent and down to earth, my initial reaction is that’s nonsense. Is he? Maybe. It’s not what I see and I’ve felt no need to look for it.
I have always been a nerd on the internet, so i have always been on these kinds of sites like Lemmy, reddit, imgur, old forums, where I can talk to people from all over the world. They have their echo chambers and little bubbles but it’s still a more diverse group of opinions than what you’re fed on sites like Facebook. But the usage on these sites is much lower, most people are not here. They’re either not using social media at all, or they’re on Facebook, tiktok, whatever. They’re only seeing the cropped images, edited clips, news that caters to what they want to believe. If everything’s telling you one thing, including things your friends and family are sharing online, why would you question it.
I understand the reality of what you’re saying.
However, and this will seem harsh, it is stupid not to question the things you’re being told. It takes a stupid person to allow themselves to be convinced to vote against their basic interests for the low, low, price of getting to be racist. It doesn’t matter if your entire world tells you otherwise.
I agree. I don’t know if I got lucky in that i have consistently been told to question things through my life by teachers, by my parents (who don’t question things anymore), by people online.
I also think it’s just how people work. What is it, every dictatorship has used propaganda to convince people they want these things? People heard trump say he needed to be a dictator for a day and they were happy about it. The only difference is it’s easier to do now i would think.
I do consider myself lucky in that regard, as well.
Unfortunately, yes — I agree. It has never been easier to convince people of ‘the truth’ than it has today. There’s an argument to be made that it’s never been easier to debunk bullshit as well, however Brandolini’s Law is still very relevant.
I’m sorry about your brother, and your parents. My mom is the only sane one in my family left, the rest are Trumpers or centrist liberals.
If this were the first time Trump was president, then fine, but it fucking ain’t.
Did someone try to mislead them? Yes. Are they idiots for believing them? Also yes. Did they turn a blind eye when it was happening to other people? Yes. Are they sad now that it affects them? Oh yes. Am I sad that they are seeing the consequences of their actions? Hell no.
Other people have been paying for their stupidity for too long. About time they do some “finding out” given how they’ve been all too happy to do some “fucking around”
Empathy is a ‘weakness’ until they want some for themselves.
Empathy for me, not for thee.
This entire comm is about having no empathy.
I feel sorry for the leopards.
