See the stickied comment below for an explanation and statement of our purpose, based on simple back-of-the-napkin math
E: if someone could please link this community to r/aspen and r/roaringforkvalley I would greatly appreciate it. I’ve been IP banned by the all powerful AI mod monster, like many folks on Lemmy
Look it, you can defend them as much as you like, I’m not here to debate the granularity about which hundred millionaire is less awful for remaining a hundred millionaire or judging them individually based on their human woes and vices.
I’m here to say the largest tent pole and the simplest message is constructed by being honest and effective. The honest and effective truth is when someone gets more than some tens of millions, let’s say 20 or 50 if you’re worried about the millionaires, they become a danger to society and to their communities. Any number of billion is so far removed from reality that I don’t think it will actually interest most people. If I had heard that just 6 months ago I would have chalked it up to just another fake effort that won’t change anything. And even if now I see the value of putting aside these nitpicking differences when it comes to the movements overall health, I still feel obligated to say dream bigger.
We don’t need hundred millionaires, we need neighborhoods and family and unions and community and if we have to guns.
Im not debating the granularity of anything, I’m stating a fact that you don’t seem to understand about the gravity of someone having $430B versus $12B versus $100M.
Would you say there is “granularity” in comparing a 36 story skyscraper to a 1 story house? They are inarguably 2 completely different magnitudes of building.
Im being very clear and very honest, by simple plain math someone having $100M is not affecting your life in any way. Literally people make this whole idea of “the 1% have us all turned against each other with culture wars” which is almost all the way correct. The reality is that a handful of fucking people have everyone distracted, and that even the separation between you and someone with $100M is a petty class war from those 250 people’s perspective. People with hundreds of millions are not this evil monster that are any different from you, they hardly have any more money than you in comparison to a multi-billionaire. That is just factual, plain, and honest. Whether you want to accept it is a different story
I’m not debating magnitudes dude. The question is should a functioning society allow for someone to accumulate 12 billion USD in networth? Now answer that same question for 1 billion? Now again for 500 million? Now again for 100 million? Now again for 50 million?
The answer is no. Plain and simple. I don’t care that I’m closer to 100 million than 100 million is to 12 billion, to simplify your point. Idgaf. The reality is neither 100 million nor 12 billion should be allowed. So why are you not advocating for a lower boundary value? You’re saying it’s because we need the 100 millionaires to make this work. I’m saying no we don’t. I’m saying we can get more support from people if we pick a value that actually makes sense. Letting anyone own a 100 million dollars is still letting someone play king to an unbelievably large group of people. That shouldn’t be allowed.
Again, you still dont understand, the one story house is $12B, not $100M. Magnitudes is hardly even the right term, its just the closest we can get. Someone having $12B is not the actual functional issue with society either. The issue is someone having hundreds of billions of dollars.
Ill be willing to debate the ethics of wealth between $13M and $12B once we solve the actual problem that is fucking up everyone’s lives. I personally dont think anyone needs so much money at all, but that isnt the point. The point is what can we actually do to make the system a base level of economically sustainable, otherwise we will be guaranteed to never see a day when it becomes ethical. Its about rationality in pursuit of ethics, not demanding pure ethics from any possible solution