The protester said the rally was peaceful until it suddenly got ugly. Now, as he recovers in the hospital, he's not sure if he'll get his vision back in his right eye.
It is this kind of thing that made me decide to ignore my city’s municipal codes regarding protest gear. It outlaws the wearing of bulletproof vests, helmets, protective visors, hearing protection, gas masks, and so on. To say the least, I cannot respect a law that is designed to permit bullies to injure or kill people who did nothing wrong.
“See, the second amendment specifically says you have a right to bear arms, and that means any kind of gun I want to buy should be legal.”
“However, there is no amendment saying you have a right to wear armor. So being protected isn’t a constitutional right”.
“Oh? This supressor I want to put on my gun? That should be allowed by the second amendment. Wait, what do you mean there is no constitutional right to gun accessories?!”
It usually goes something like that. I’d like to point out here that there isn’t a constitutional right to wear pants or eat bacon either.
If you don’t bring any protective gear, you better run when things get ugly. If you plan to stay when things get ugly, you better bring the appropriate gear with you.
In the video from last weekend of the Australian reporter being shot in the back, you can clearly see the police officer behind her raise and aim straight at her. Clearly there’s no repercussions for misusing these weapons.
I had a similar bruise from a less-lethal bullet on my butt, and I’ve seen a kid get hit with one in his head, that was scary. This was a long time ago though, but the bullets then were steel core and rubber around it. Not sure if they use different ones in the US.
IIRC, rubber “bullets” are somewhere around 30mm, which isn’t that far off from the size of the rounds grenade launchers commonly use - I think those are usually 30-40mm. I saw somebody recently say that they’re the size of 8 or even 4-gauge shotgun slugs, and an 8-gauge is 25% larger than a 12-gauge.
They’re also not rubber like people think of when they hear the name. They’re a metal slug wrapped in a layer of rubber or foam.
We’ve had a couple cases in Norway in recent years where police were investigated for some thing or other. Based on the evidence I’ve seen, they’re definitely held accountable when they over-step.
To name a specific case (where the cop was found not guilty), there was a huge case when a cop punched a guy in the face while he was on the ground. After several rounds in court, it was decided that he was using reasonable force, because the guy was wrestling him, and he noticed that the guy had a knife on him.
The point is that a policeman punching someone at all became a huge court case with national coverage, so I would say they’re held accountable.
Well I got tortured in a cell for three days and can’t get a single Finnish person to even accept that it happened.
They won’t talk about it either. They’ll just shut down, completely.
Just like your systems, theyre good on paper.
But do tell me how a person could feasibly manage to hurt themselves and write a fucking novel with their own blood on the cell walls while under constant supervision for “his safety”?
Afterwards when I tried getting the video of that with lawyers, it’s “vanished”, despite them originally trying to say I “vandalised the cell” by going crazy and drawing with blood.
They denied me my prescription medication, personal rights are honestly a fucking joke in Finland. We’re so bureaucratic it’s gone authoritarian.
It’s ludicrous.
I also didn’t have the mattress or the blanket, they took hose away too. Three days, lights on constantly, no explanation how long I would be here for, no medication, I didn’t eat.
Yeah, police accountability is a complete joke in Finland, much more so than in the US. There may be more overall abuses in the US, our cops generally play nice on the street. But behind closes doors?
Hell, Finnish people literally don’t understand that we actually have rights.
At one point they turned of my water in the cell. That’s literally against international laws.
I’ve tried complaining to officials and journalists and even my own family don’t believe me. My mom fucking victim blamed me for it.
In the US I would’ve definitely found a lawyer willing to fight such clear injustice (as in a golden case). I’d be a fucking millionaire for the compensations.
That, actually the supreme court of Finland deciding I was in the right and my rights were violated? Zero compensation. Fuck, no-one even let me know, I learned it from the news.
So yeah. Police accountability here is a goddamn joke.
Just think about how that could even happen. You put any of us in their shoes, we would obviously aim low, to prevent permanent damage.
It’s like police are overgrown toddlers, mad that they’re forced to use less lethal rounds… So they take it out on civilians and aim for the face. Can you imagine being as hate-filled as these fucking orcs that you would want to blind the people you “serve” for the rest of their lives (if you don’t kill them)!? Absolute monsters…
‘Quantified immunity’ is unique to the USA. Never should have been made law and it should surprise no-one that it came about during push-back to the civil rights movement. It enables all of this bullshit by making police behaviour untouchable.
You’re supposed to be shooting at a dangerous crowd, not an individual. You don’t need to accurately get the right angle you just need to generally aim in the right direction, but at the ground, and I’ll bounce and hit someone. The fact they’re choosing not to do this either indicates poor training or malice.
Reminder to folks that “less lethal” still means “lethal” even if the cops pretend it doesn’t.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/21/nx-s1-5015030/linda-tirado-journalist-shot-police-2020-george-floyd-protests-hospice-care
It is this kind of thing that made me decide to ignore my city’s municipal codes regarding protest gear. It outlaws the wearing of bulletproof vests, helmets, protective visors, hearing protection, gas masks, and so on. To say the least, I cannot respect a law that is designed to permit bullies to injure or kill people who did nothing wrong.
how is it legal to stop people from wearing bulletproof vests in public!? Why aren’t 2nd amendment mfs screaming about this?
“See, the second amendment specifically says you have a right to bear arms, and that means any kind of gun I want to buy should be legal.”
“However, there is no amendment saying you have a right to wear armor. So being protected isn’t a constitutional right”.
“Oh? This supressor I want to put on my gun? That should be allowed by the second amendment. Wait, what do you mean there is no constitutional right to gun accessories?!”
It usually goes something like that. I’d like to point out here that there isn’t a constitutional right to wear pants or eat bacon either.
If you don’t bring any protective gear, you better run when things get ugly. If you plan to stay when things get ugly, you better bring the appropriate gear with you.
Gods forbid that people should protect their faces from damage.
In the video from last weekend of the Australian reporter being shot in the back, you can clearly see the police officer behind her raise and aim straight at her. Clearly there’s no repercussions for misusing these weapons.
Different victim but here’s what a shot to the back can do:
This shit is ridiculous. I have many, many words. None of which are not pure rage and sadness.
I had a similar bruise from a less-lethal bullet on my butt, and I’ve seen a kid get hit with one in his head, that was scary. This was a long time ago though, but the bullets then were steel core and rubber around it. Not sure if they use different ones in the US.
I think he was hit with some kind of grenade the police fired. There seems to be a huge hole in the center. How is he not paralyzed??
IIRC, rubber “bullets” are somewhere around 30mm, which isn’t that far off from the size of the rounds grenade launchers commonly use - I think those are usually 30-40mm. I saw somebody recently say that they’re the size of 8 or even 4-gauge shotgun slugs, and an 8-gauge is 25% larger than a 12-gauge.
They’re also not rubber like people think of when they hear the name. They’re a metal slug wrapped in a layer of rubber or foam.
That’s a big-ass bruise. If it was a hole, that man wouldn’t be standing.
Holy shit, where is that picture from? Is that an injury from the current round of protests?
I believe that was from about a week ago. I think it got overshadowed by * gestures widely *.
Maybe in countries where police accountability isn’t a punchline.
Name one.
The real punchline is always in the replies… 😁
Seriously, though. Name one in which you think police accountability isn’t a joke.
Don’t tell me the Nordic countries are unserious about that?
We’ve had a couple cases in Norway in recent years where police were investigated for some thing or other. Based on the evidence I’ve seen, they’re definitely held accountable when they over-step.
To name a specific case (where the cop was found not guilty), there was a huge case when a cop punched a guy in the face while he was on the ground. After several rounds in court, it was decided that he was using reasonable force, because the guy was wrestling him, and he noticed that the guy had a knife on him.
The point is that a policeman punching someone at all became a huge court case with national coverage, so I would say they’re held accountable.
Well I got tortured in a cell for three days and can’t get a single Finnish person to even accept that it happened.
They won’t talk about it either. They’ll just shut down, completely.
Just like your systems, theyre good on paper.
But do tell me how a person could feasibly manage to hurt themselves and write a fucking novel with their own blood on the cell walls while under constant supervision for “his safety”?
Afterwards when I tried getting the video of that with lawyers, it’s “vanished”, despite them originally trying to say I “vandalised the cell” by going crazy and drawing with blood.
They denied me my prescription medication, personal rights are honestly a fucking joke in Finland. We’re so bureaucratic it’s gone authoritarian.
It’s ludicrous.
I also didn’t have the mattress or the blanket, they took hose away too. Three days, lights on constantly, no explanation how long I would be here for, no medication, I didn’t eat.
Yeah, police accountability is a complete joke in Finland, much more so than in the US. There may be more overall abuses in the US, our cops generally play nice on the street. But behind closes doors?
Hell, Finnish people literally don’t understand that we actually have rights.
At one point they turned of my water in the cell. That’s literally against international laws.
I’ve tried complaining to officials and journalists and even my own family don’t believe me. My mom fucking victim blamed me for it.
In the US I would’ve definitely found a lawyer willing to fight such clear injustice (as in a golden case). I’d be a fucking millionaire for the compensations.
But here, even when I do manage a small win like
https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000009654524.html
That, actually the supreme court of Finland deciding I was in the right and my rights were violated? Zero compensation. Fuck, no-one even let me know, I learned it from the news.
So yeah. Police accountability here is a goddamn joke.
I’m so sorry :(
Just think about how that could even happen. You put any of us in their shoes, we would obviously aim low, to prevent permanent damage.
It’s like police are overgrown toddlers, mad that they’re forced to use less lethal rounds… So they take it out on civilians and aim for the face. Can you imagine being as hate-filled as these fucking orcs that you would want to blind the people you “serve” for the rest of their lives (if you don’t kill them)!? Absolute monsters…
‘Quantified immunity’ is unique to the USA. Never should have been made law and it should surprise no-one that it came about during push-back to the civil rights movement. It enables all of this bullshit by making police behaviour untouchable.
Qualified.
… I’m not sure what quantified immunity would look like.
Toddlers would see people getting hurt and angry and stop.
Eye shot vs nut shot I can’t decide which is worse
You expect me to believe that cops are supposed to 360 no scope trick shots? I don’t think they took, much less passed, geometry.
You’re supposed to be shooting at a dangerous crowd, not an individual. You don’t need to accurately get the right angle you just need to generally aim in the right direction, but at the ground, and I’ll bounce and hit someone. The fact they’re choosing not to do this either indicates poor training or malice.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200604042628/https://www.defense-technology.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-DefenseTech-Library/default/dw0648ec64/product-pdfs/40mm Rubber Baton Round 6064.pdf
Interesting. It’s generally used for yolo trick shots, but may be used in a direct shot at the operator’s discretion. That’s the loophole.
Both. Malice inspired poor training.