Hello all,
So i am in a canundrum. I am going to buy a new car (EV) and of course want to buy something from which the EU benefits. I am considering the Skoda Enyaq and the Cupra Tavascan. Both car brands are part of the VW group, which is a European company. However, I found out that the Cupra is built is Hefei, China, while the Skoda is built in Czechia which is of course in europe. The Cupra is in fact more equipped than the Skoda while also being cheaper. This may of course in part be explained by where they are built. How do you guys feel about this?
Thanks for your insights in advance!
Some people need the space if they don’t live in a city and have lots of children or dogs or tools and then an electric SUV is much better than a ICE van or truck.
Especially if that home had terrible bus and train connections because of the decades long fight of the country’s right wing party to defund and dismantle the public transportation network in order to privatize it for their corporate interests.
Then get yourself an electric wagon, and if you really want the space - a minivan or a van. There isn’t a single case where an SUV would be the most adequate option.
The only electric wagon with serious battery capacity is the Taycan lol, at least until bmw and audi offerings come to dealerships. So, you’ll be paying for (mostly) unnecessary luxury and thus weight.
I hope PSA come out with something cool but I’m not holding my breath, afaik they’re still at 54kw, though efficiency is better than their old stuff.
edit: op wants 70+, that’s why I’m looking at higher capacity, I know not everybody needs it
I don’t mind myself a little bit of Porsche but in terms of the wagon vs SUV discussion. The Porsche has an average milage of 167 wh/km while the enyaq coupe base a milage of 168 wh/km. This difference is insignificant if you ask me. Furthermore the Porsche weighs 2165 kg while the enyaq weighs 2140 kg. So the enyaq is actually lighter! (All data from EV database).
So the fact that the enyaq is an SUV doesn’t seem to matter here?
I wasn’t really suggesting the taycan, luxury cars are heavy by default, and the whole car (while beautiful) isn’t making good use of it’s interior. Not exactly a family car. Just saying that so far it’s the only euro wagon with 70+ batteries.
rambling about comparisons
Comparing bodystyles would be more interesting if both cars were roughly in the same segment (like Astra wagon vs Mokka e vs Combo e) and the same ev evolution branches.
Taycan wagon is bigger in every dimension except height, has a bigger battery in most trims, and weight (for 21-24 models according to arenaev) is 2245 kg unladen, 2885 kg gross. Also if I remember right, it’s built on an ICE-derived platform taken from the Panamera. Enyaq is built on a platform designed specifically for EVs since day one. And funnily enough it’s got abetter drag coefficient than porsche.
By the way efficiency is very different on this database, they use WLTP and taycan is slightly ahead. Weight is very much trim-dependent, but even a 77kWh enyaq 80 is lighter at 2090kg unladen. If you want the heaviest enyaq RS, that’ll be almost 2260 kg.
TLDR: affordable midsize suv on an ev platform is most likely better at being an EV than a luxury executive wagon built on an ice (derived) platform
Frankly, if we’re talking EV, then it’s really hard to point out on actually eco-friendly vehicle. It’s just a no-no with their absurd weight and how their battery production hurts the planet.
Hello thank you for tour commentaar, But i dont think this is entirely true. Looking on the internet I find many sources like this one:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/09/1250212212/ev-batteries-environmental-impact
It is stated here that EVs are indeed worse for the environment when being built, however in the long term they catch up to petrol cars and when disposed off have a net positive effect.
Yes it is true that the car size is a problem. But this is also true for large and heavy combustion engine cars. So as this article also states: it would be best to buy a small EV with limited battery capacity to reduce environmental impact. That being said: I am going to buy a larger one so your argument is at least more true in my case.
Additionally I do think electric cars are the future. But maybe not with Li-ion batteries. We need lighter and more energy dense alternatives which are currently not (yet) available. By investing in our electrical infrastructure now and adopting electric cars now, even though they are only marginally better than combustion engine cars, we are moving to a greener future. By sticking with combustion engine cars, there is only a dead end in 50 something years even if we would ignore climate change.
Also before someone brings up hydrogen cars: hydrogen has its own challenges and H2 cars are in fact also electric cars with electric motors. So hydrogen which is lagging behind in battery development may also profit from the development of EVs. Personnaly I think hydrogen will not become very interesting for consumer cars, but rather for trucks, boats and other heavy duty vehicles.
I end up having this discussion with my brother alot, whether an EV is environmental friendly or not.
Our conclusion each time is that no consumption is, but if you need a car to exist then an EV is the best option. That and the truly environmentally friendly option would be to kill ourselves immediately :)
No denying that
Exactly, this is my problem. And getting a car with less range is not really am option as I want to use the car for going on holidays etc. I could also keep my petrol car and get something light and aerodynamic with less kwhs for daily use. But having two cars is financially unattractive and my petrol car is relatively small. This way I end up with two cars with insufficient boot space for my family to go on holiday for example.
Look into used Priuses. They start they mature phase after 150000km… Edit: my bad. Wrong sub. I’ll see myself to the door
Did you see the new Prius design? Dear god it looks fast almost like a bugatti. Hats of to Toyota for making the nerd mobile sexy !
Yeah, way out of my league though. I’ll stick to my 08 Prius lI
I’m listening. Do you have any specific recommendations? As I mentioned the wagons I know off with similar specs don’t rally have any significant advantages in terms of kWh/km or weight. Only Tesla has a real edge here and not buying Tesla is one of the reasons for this community to exist right?
Is it being electric a must? I can give you a handful of great options if you’re also into ICE cars
I am exciting for driving electric. In part because of the environmental impact (which has its nuances as is clear from the discussions below). But also because of the comfort and silence during the drive.
So yeah I would really prefer electric over ICE.