In authoritarian regimes it isn’t uncommon for the state officers and soldiers to engage in casual theft along side their official duties. With the way our country is going, there is a non-zero chance this was an actual ICE officer just working his “side hustle”.
American cops have been robbers for a long, long time under the guise of civil forfeiture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
That is “legal” theft, which can be fought in court, and isn’t what I’m referring to. A law enforcement officer committing theft not associated with their duties is what I’m talking about like this example reported just yesterday.
“Legal theft”. Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system. A great many police departments, corrupt even more than usual, use it to fund departmental expenses, staff perks and bonuses.
Fighting street level injustice through inaccessible and notoriously corrupt courts is also a sad joke.
“Legal theft”. Careful not to choke on your words. It is a well known and well documented abuse of the legal system.
Abuse? Its codified in law. Its working as intended. I don’t agree with it, but its not extra-judicial. You’ll see I specifically put it quotes to communicate that, while it meets the letter of the law, it is far from actual justice.
It adheres to the letter of the law only when you ignore the 4th and 5th ammendments. But why bother? The constitution ain’t worth shit anyways.
Just because it is codified into law doesn’t make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Almost as if something being a “law” is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Just because it is codified into law doesn’t make it not abusive in nature. That just means the law is attempting to justify abuse.
Are we really just having semantic arguments now?
“Abuse of the law” I interpret as equal to “breaking the law”. Civil Forfeiture doesn’t break the law it is written from. Is it unjust? Absolutely! Do I agree it should be abolished? Absolutely!
Almost as if something being a “law” is nothing more than those in power attempting to legitimize their oppression of the people under their authority.
Again, I’ve clearly separated the concepts of “lawful” from “justice”. They ARE NOT always equal. This is a case where they aren’t.
Are we done having arguments over grammar and semantics? You can keep going if you like, but I’m more interested in focusing on our world burning than arguing over something we both already agree should be abolished.
Sorry the point went over your head it seems.
Those stolen assets don’t end up as personal property of the officer though.
They do. Way way too often.
You are very lucky if they stop with casual theft.
Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the secret police in Stalin’s USSR was a serial rapist and murderer. He had at least hundreds women and children kidnapped off the street, both people who weren’t missed but also celebrities, and raped them and then murdered them if they wouldn’t pretend it was consensual. A pile of bones covered with lime was uncovered near his one-time residence 15 years ago, but contemporary testimonies say that his torture chamber of a basement had underground passages to other burial sites.
Once some people are above the law, nothing is off the table.
Yep.
Obviously this is a pretty extreme example but without the rule of law, government officials will engage in corruption, hold overs, and blackmail.
With ICE just seizing and deporting whoever they like, it provides white Americans with incredible power over others because they can just threaten to call ICE.
ICE was always lawless from what we know about them in reports, there were articles about rape cases even back under Biden.
Also Stalin told his daughter to never be alone with Beria because even he couldn’t ensure her safety. Honestly I’m convinced that Beria was on Stalin’s shit list and the only reason he wasn’t purged was because WW2 kicked off.
Stalin was the one thing keeping Beria alive though even after the war, after Stalin died, the first order of business for the Politburo was to kill him.
I’m not saying Stalin liked him, I’m saying he was useful enough that Stalin never got around to purging him.
It’s naïve to think that this behavior hasn’t been common already for decades, likely centuries
It’s technically not a crime if you label it civil forfeiture.
Oh but that’s totally only if you can’t prove you weren’t going to use it for crime!
How do you prove you weren’t using it for crime? Good question!
And even if a judge believes you, OH well, too bad the cops already spent it! No, you can’t get money from their budget, that would be theft or fraud or some other crime we can figure out after arresting you.
As a non-American this is really one of the weirdest things about ICE. Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency? Even when arresting terrorists/mobsters you would expect the cops to be identifiable.
Why don’t they do their raids in uniform/with badge and face uncovered (perhaps apart from tactical headgear) like any other law enforcement agency?
As far as I know the plain clothes arrests and covered faced raids are new artifacts of the GOP’s trump administration. I think there may have been plain clothes investigators before for some undercover work, but never used in the way it is today.
There are two reasons, I think, they are doing it today.
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Masks add anonymity and reduce accountability. These folks are deeply disliked and under the hoods and masks, yet they’re people with homes and families. They need to conceal their identity so their actions don’t follow them home.
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The trump administration wants a law enforcement arm with broad authority to arrest and detain with federal powers. ICE and CBP (Customs and Border Protection) have broad sweeping powers in the most populated portions of our country.
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Maybe everyone should become an ice agent…what would they do then if everyone was larping
This was basically the end state of East Germany right before the wall fell. Something like 1 in 6 people were either in the Stasi or were Stasi informants working alongside them. One wonders what the power dynamic might have mutated into once there were no more sheep because everyone was working for the wolves.
Maybe that’s the kind of loyalist utopia these (and those) chumps were dreaming of but I’d doubt that’d actually shake out how they expected it to.
I doubt the dynamic would have changed much. They’d just start with the purity and loyalty tests and start devouring each other. The fascists always need a convenient enemy
They did do that
Fascism is a means to an end. The end result of fascism is cronyism, where power is delegated based on fealty.
Each level of fascism is a concentric circle, with a new out group named at every iteration.
Right now, it’s LGBT, specifically trans people in addition to immigrants. Once all of the outgroup is gone, a new one is named.
It’s a good thing we don’t have the gubmint compiling lists of, say, neurodivergent folks, so everything’s all nice and ready when the time comes.
That is hardly comparable.
Eastern Germany did not have an oligarch class to feed and did not aspire to invade other countries to rob their resources.
Most of the people you mention were informal informants (190k vs. 90k regular employees by the lat 80s) and these mostly worked out of ideological conviction and didn’t receive relevant payments for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unofficial_collaborator
Obviously these informants did not know who else around them was an informant. Economically they were doing normal jobs and receiving normal pay like everyone else. This cannot be described in terms of “wolfs and sheep”. American cops, ICE and the like full well know who their colleagues are. They get paid, usually full time to exercise their jobs and they have a direct authority to abuse, like with civil forfeiture.
A Stasi informant couldn’t reveal himself to his neighbor and demand money from him. First of all his neighbor might as well be an informant and second of all the informant has no power except to make allegations, for which he would have to compromise himself and be targeted himself.
The GDR was authoritarian for ideological reasons, not to feed the greed of a select few. This is fundamentally different to Capitalism and its final form, Fascism.
I Am Batman?
It’s already been happening, it’s documented in this Afroman song Edit: 3:50 timestamp
I know it happens with other law enforcement. I even posted a link to a police officer fired for stealing just a few days ago. However, I was specifically talking about ICE, which isn’t what Afroman was talking about, but this thread is.
Yeah i was just going to say, its not like theyre tracking these things, so isnt it more likely he just is an actual ICE officer?
To be clear, the ice people are also criminals, it’s just a different crime.
Only one thing to do now. We have to treat all ICE agents like armed criminals until they show their face, a badge, and a warrant.
I saw zero indications that ICE agents weren’t criminals before this.
Something something… bad guy with a gun… good guy with a gun?
So lets be the good guys with guns. Every American should perform citizens arrest on these so called “ICE Agents”, if there is resistance, you are entitiled to use lethal force to defend yourself. 😏
Kidding, don’t actually do this…
Unless… 🤔
Agreed. It is easy to say “do it” … but there are a lot of things that could go wrong for a good guy with a gun.
I was thinking more along the lines of trespassing them if they are on your property or at a business that the employees may not want ICE at. Also maybe calling the police on them … an armed guy in a mask with a Temu printed Tshirt that says “ICE” is certainly suspicious.
I don’t see how that absolves them of being criminals. We should ship them to El Salvador and sort out the good ones later.
Ha! We all know ICE agents dont get local warrants.
They are supposedly running around Chicago with Douglas County warrants. If that is real it means ICE is getting warrants from a judge 2 and a half hours away
This is something I’ve thought about a lot. Obviously this is not legal advice, don’t try this shit based on this comment. Say a cop shows up to your door with a warrant and says “Let me in to search your house.” How the fuck am I supposed to react to this? If a cop asks to search something, you should always say no (unless there’s some sort of implied consent like breathalyzers in Georgia for drivers). But if they have a warrant, how do I even know it’s a real warrant? I’m not a legal expert. I don’t wanna sound like a sovereign citizen type who believes random words make you immune to things but I feel like the proper thing to do is say something like “I don’t consent, but I’m not resisting.” Then just stand there. Don’t close the door, but don’t open it more either.
Like imagine a vampire. Right? They can only come in if they’re invited. As humans we use certain phrases to make orders sound like requests to be polite. I used to get in trouble with my mom as a kid because of it. She’d say things like “Please do X” and I’d protest saying because she’s saying please it’s like she’s asking, not telling. That’s not necessarily the best example of it, but it helps demonstrate the point. “Let me do X” is sort of a request to be given permission to do X without actually asking to do X. If they have a warrant, why ask at all? Why not just come in?
Idk, I pray that I’m never in a situation like this.
If you are peaceful minded then speed dial your lawyer and follow their instructions.
If you want to use the castle doctrine then you have to do a lot of homework first.
Starting yesterday?
Or was he a real ICE agent with a side hustle?
Same diff if all they have to do to is say they are
Either way, this person is incredibly ballsy and an absolute genius, especially if they just leave with the money and don’t actually take anyone (to avoid kidnapping charges).
All you gotta do is go to your van to “get an evidence bag” or “handcuffs”, then start the engine and drive off. By the time they realize that you’re never coming back for the zip tied person, you’re already hid the van and swapped outfits several miles away from the crime scene.
That’s not genuis, like that’s a pretty obvious thing to do
Then why aren’t more people doing it?
Where l’m from we had a couple of incidents of people dressing up as police and then stealing money from people. We don’t have ICE so people don’t dress up as ICE. Maybe I don’t get it because police and ICE are so different in the USA? Just didn’t strike me as genius.
It is like they should be identifiable. I forgot, but a member of congress made a good point how police have arrested way more dangerous people with their face and ID showing.
Nobody believes the made up attacks on ICE they just don’t want the social backlash of being casted out of their communities.
If ICE agents behave like criminal thugs why wouldn’t criminal thugs behave like ICE agents?
or they are one in the same, ooh.
i think a guy who steals a $1000 is still overall a more decent human being than a guy who kidnaps and imprisons people because, well, he didn’t like the vibe (of their skin colour or accent)
imagine the relief of that latino woman when instead of being taken and thrown into a cage with no way to get out or prove her citizenship status the guy just took some money.
ICE are worse than thugs
The bigger ooh is that unlike thugs, ICErs are paid by an elected government.
#stopthugdiscrimination #ICEareWellfareQueens
they had one instance already robbing people by “legitmate” ice people.
For all we know, this guy is active duty ICE and just robbing people in his free time.
Everybody pretends to be an ICE agent to steal or commit violence, it is an utterly illegitimate mob of thugs loyal to a dictator.
The only thing that isn’t pretend about ICE is the bigotry and violence.
I see no meaningful difference between these people and “actual ICE agents”.
The meaningful difference is the relief felt by this poor woman when she discovered she was just being robbed, not deported.
just being robbed, not
deported.*sent to the off-shore extra-judicial concentration camps
It’s actually really easy to cosplay as ICE too.
Face mask. Cheap jacket. Fake ass vest.
True, though hardly a news flash that fascists have shit basic ass style.
I’m gonna pretend to be an ice agent and go into a McDonald’s and order a McFlurry and pay for my it and say thank you and eat in the lobby and clean up my mess and leave and never mention I’m an ice agent.
He low key helped show why we want law officers to have a branded uniform, name tag and provide ID.
And wearing a mask to hide your identity while performing your job function is pretty sus.
Given the photos, this guy didn’t even use a mask! He could have gone full bear and been even more protected from discovery.
Low key?
I mean, sure that would be a nice fringe benefit of police reform.
But this was only possible because of the terror police inspire by their mere presence. Nobody is willing to fight back against this guy for fear he’s an actual officer. Nobody has any faith in the Real Police (assuming this guy wasn’t actually a cop who decided to moonlight as a robber) finding and stopping this guy.
It isn’t as though the crook couldn’t have slapped a “Hi I’m Jim_” name tag on his chest and done the exact same thing. You have to believe knowing the officer’s identify would result in some consequence to the owner of the gear in order to see that as a material benefit.
I hope we start seeing people dressing up as ICE agents and then disappearing real ICE agents while they’re off duty. Just round them up. When they protest and try to show their citizenship papers, just call them fake. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
Jesus if we could even get this to happen one time that would be just so perfect
Remember, in the US, you can be charged for obstructing a plain-clothes officer’s duties even before they ID themselves. (I’m not a lawyer but you could refer to 18 USC 111 or 18 USC 1501, or the fact that police don’t need to know the law properly to enforce it, Heien v. North Carolina)
And, fake-ICE cosplayers like this guy can have their charges dropped by DOJ or pardoned by Trump.
So if you get visited by someone unknown, you’re damned if you do or you don’t. Demand a judicial warrant and wait to receive one with an actual judge’s signature, before you open the door to agents you don’t know.
maybe if they robbed a bank that Trump owed/owes money to.
Just waiting for someone to dress up like ICE and kidnap ICE so we can have ICE with our ICE
Yo dawg…
Remember the right claiming Floyd protesters were all looters? Itso happens whenever the nation is in distress (in this economical and societal context) the smartest of potential crimedoers would take that as an opportunity. Whenever it’s some natural disaster or social conflict, there would be some to use it. And it’s fucking frightening that America came to the point that the thing that bothers us is that thugs didn’t have a real license to do thugs’ things, and every other article going by the #ICE tag is not just stealing, but kidnapping people into Salvador camps, so getting mugged by fake ICE officer is better than meeting the real ones now? It’s a fucking circus.
Dear Americans,
You’re well within your right to shoot ICE agents on sight.
Oh no, Your Honor, you don’t understand, that guy on lemmy said I could do it
Do you not understand what the 2nd Amendment is for and are utterly ignorant to concepts such as “self defense”?
In the current climate, do you really think a judge will support your assertions of self defence?
If you shoot an ICE officer, I very much doubt you’d ever see a court room.
We’re a little past hoping judges do the right thing.
Okay? So people shouldn’t defend themselves against violence committed against them?
Do you always ask permission of your assailant on which methods you are allowed to use to defend yourself against them?
I also think the key thing you’re missing here is that you wouldn’t be the only one who is armed and ready to defend yourself and others around against it. You would be organized as a community, maybe through having a well regulated militia that exercises the right to bear arms in the event that it is necessary to the security of a free state
Gee why does that sound familiar?
You literally advocated shooting ICE agents on sight. That is not “defending” oneself.
It absolutely is. ICE is a “legal” terrorist organization that is committing crimes against marginalized individuals. They are to be treated as a threat, as their only role is to do harm against my community. It is absolutely well within the right of a community to defend themselves against organizations that only seek to do harm.
ICE gets the same treatment as Nazis.
No it’s not. Defense in a legal context is averting imminent physical harm. When you “sight” a bunch of ICE agents abducting someone, it’s just not going to meet that legal requirement.
You’re well within your right to shoot ICE agents on sight.
This is just plain false. Anyone following your advice is just going to get shot by a half dozen ICE goons.
I don’t see any well-regulated militias around here…
Yea. That’s kinda the entire problem that I’m attempting to highlight. See my other comment where I literally quote the amendment word for word
Hey bud,
This doesn’t apply to people they don’t want it to apply to. It never has.
Hey bud.
That’s all the more reason for people to exercise their right in the face of those trying to take it away from them.
It doesn’t matter what they say. We shouldn’t respect their authority and should be preparing to challenge it.
Cycle back a bit bud. Lets roll to the start:
point one : lets shoot ice under 2A
Me: 2A defense doesn’t apply to people they don’t want it to apply toYou can warhgarrghhg after the fact all you like, but the fact is the way the US is going you should not be thinking your “constitutional rights” are going to protect you. Throughout US history under saner governments they’ve violated them as they see fit for demographics of their choosing.
The current administration is not sane.
IF your response to having this pointed out to you is to claim that the person pointing it out is boot gobbling and therefore never going to resist then you probably need to sit back a bit and think about your comprehension levels
The 2nd Amendment isn’t about legality, as much as a small enumeration of our natural rights. James Madison was against including a Bill of Rights because he felt that an actual list of rights was far too numerous, and had to be talked round to including a portion of the most important rights to be written down.
It’s written down for us, the people, the citizens. It’s to remind us that we have inalienable rights that cannot be taken from us by a tyrannical government, big or small. That we have these rights inherent to our very being.
From the Declaration of Independence:
" When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. "
(Broke it up for readability)
My point with this is that the only defense that matters at this section of time is social defense. If I end up on the jury for someone who shot someone who was masked up as ICE. In no way would I ever consider them guilty, regardless of the events. It is socially acceptable in my eyes to kill an individual in a gestapo like organization. That’s just self defense/defense of a third party, as they represent an actual threat, even if an individual’s current actions aren’t threatening.
Your entire screed still relies on there being rules of social order
Fascism 101: they don’t play by these. Think such a thing in america is preposterous? Then you are not paying attention because due process is already being fucked harder than caligula’s favourite watermelon.
Hey bud, not standing up ensures more lie down forcefully. Will you still defend inaction when you are the one with the boot on your neck?
The fact you literally cannot comprehend resistance without shooting someone is almost as breathtaking as your ignorance of power structures
The fact you literally cannot comprehend that any form of resistance will be met with violence of state oppression, disguised as “enforcing law and order”, and that people should be prepared to defend themselves when they attempt to challenge the status quo is as breathtaking as your own ignorance of power structures.
The state will enact violence upon people regardless. If you’re going to be unlawfully deported to a country that has basically offered to enslave and torture the people sent there by the USA - then why not defend yourself? The violence will happen no matter how you behave. More violence will happen to other people if you do not. If a critical number of people choose to defend themselves, the federal government will be unable to continue inflicting violence.
Only if you want to spend the rest of your life dead or in prison.
It’s a lovely thought, but ICE has the entire weight of the government behind them.
If ICE comes for you, there’s an over 50% chance that’s gonna happen either way. May as well even the field a bit.
Also wondering what happens if there next goon squad is all ventilated.
“Oh yeah, I saw an attempted kidnapping and then somebody shot the kidnappers. Victim and the shooter ran away. Guy was wearing a hoodie. No idea who they were”
Same rules as when you see a young mom/dad steal diapers and baby food.
No, you didn’t.
I was under the impression that US rules about trespassing left the owner with a lot of rights, even to use weapons to protect their property. Doesn’t this apply when ICE raids homes without warnings or warrants?
Apparently not, either die trying or live in servitude as all hopes of resistance gets further stripped away. A lot of people in here seem to choose the latter, it’s how the bad guys win every time.
Yes but no, you have the right to defend your home but not against an officer of the law carrying out a warrant. So if a plain clothes officer, with a drawn fire arm, carrys out a no knock warrent, and the homeowner tries to shoot them. That’s attempting to kill an officer of the law. It doesn’t matter if the appearance of a plain clothes no knock warrent is identical to a home invasion, and the homeowner defends themselves, the ICE agents are just going to kill the homeowner and the ICE agents will have protection of the law.
This isn’t really true. People have gotten off on shooting at officers because they didn’t know they were officers. It’s a huge risk, because they’ll also likely just shoot you, but the law doesn’t actually require people to have telepathic knowledge of the association of a presumed home invader.
It’s still very much a matter of privilege to afford a good enough attorney to get you off. Black people tend to get shot while sleeping and convicted postmortem.
You are forgetting they are not using warrants. A court would find you not guilty if they have no warrant and you defend yourself according to your laws.
I certainly wouldn’t find anybody shooting an ICE “agent” as guilty if I was on the Jury, regardless of what a judge might say. Jury Nullification is an important right that every U.S. Citizen should know about, but never talk about inside a court house.
I refuse to put away people defending their community from a gestapo like force, regardless of the events surrounding said gestapo’s death.
Honest question: what warrant are they operating under? These guys won’t even produce ID when asked so I doubt they’ve got paperwork
If you’re asking about ICE officers, they’ve been given the authority to sign their own warrants.
Sadly, no. I mean, MAYBE, with the right administration you could get away with killing an officer if they are breaking the law and endangering your life. But it’s really up to the courts, and courts are usually not okay with killing their officers. Even when it is justified or self defense. The state will not go down without a fight.
I don’t think there is any realistic resistance without an organized army of civilian soldiers. The 2nd amendment and ‘militias’ and all that.
Yea. The key part of the 2nd amendment is the “organized militia” part that has conveniently been left out of main stream discussions.
Civilians need to start organizing or we are all royally fucked.
Actually an organized militia isn’t needed. As the bill of rights is just a small enumeration of our natural rights, and does not include all of them. They are solely there to remind the populace what our rights are even in the face of a tyrannical government. Funny enough your arguments now are why James Madison didn’t want a bill of rights included as he felt that Natural Rights were too numerous to list, and people would think themselves limited to only the enumerated powers or confuse them into thinking the government granted them those rights. When, in fact, those rights are inherent to our very being.
Some Relevant reading:
" When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. "
-The Declaration of Independence.
So important they wrote it down, and signed it. (Broke it up for readability)
Yes, I’m aware of this and in fact I agree with Madison’s position. I just wasn’t trying to get into the nitty gritty behind having a top-down system of authority dictating what is or isn’t “rights” and its flaws.
I still stand behind my position that having well-organized, volunteer community militias is a necessity that every community should have and be engaged with to some extent. So long as the state exists, people need to be ready to defend themselves against it.
Also, personally, I oppose the existence of the state as a concept and believe it should be abolished, with its roles being replaced by bottom-up structures of authority from within communities, but that’s also getting into much deeper politics.
Americans love to preach about their rules. Especially about how uniquely exceptional the rules are. Turns out it’s all bullshit. They’re just another tinpot dictatorship ruling over a barbaric shithole.
I guess ICE wins then. Yayyyyy.
Sure are and will continue to do so because of ignorance and inaction.
Would you consider ICE losing being -1 officers and you in prison or dead? Like I said, I don’t disagree with the sentiment, I’m just being realistic.
Let me put it this way: If people start killing ICE officers, they will be rolling up with every resource they have to kidnap whoever they are looking for.
Is that a better situation?
Killing officers is not the end, it’s the beginning.
Then the people need to organize and be ready to fight back and defend themselves against state oppression. We know it is going to happen if we stand up for ourselves, so we might as well be prepared instead of letting it deter us from doing what is right.
You act like they aren’t already rolling in and kidnapping whoever they desire. So the threat of them doing it “harder” is moot.
I mentioned people organizing and fighting back in my earlier comment. I absolutely support it. But the main point is the organization.
And I really don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that, while sure they are doing whatever the fuck they want now, they have far more gross tools they can use. I think what we’re seeing right now is Trump trying to normalize the military protecting ICE.
Yea, no shit. Still doesn’t change anything about my point.
The more officers they have to send to a kidnapping, the fewer kidnappings they can perform.
I’m more inclined to think that unidentified ICE officers kidnapping random folk without any warrant or due process is the beginning, citizens defending themselves from the gestapo is the only appropriate response. To be realistic, they’re already rolling up with every resource they have to kidnap whoever they are looking for, it’s already reached that point. Who do you think would back down first? Who do you think should back down first?
spend the rest of your life dead
I feel like this wording could have been better
No, the wording is perfect. Similar to when you wake up dead.
It’s just a stupid joke, like waking up dead.
How many ‘‘ICE’’ agents does it take to empty out a bank? I’m thinking of writing a Hollywood film.
“We’re seizing this money as evidence!”
What movie?
It was in the YouTube description as well but it’s from Southland Tales.
Thanks. 🙂
Wait until the purge to do it, then you’re not breaking the law.
All maga are terrorists. It is a terrorist organization.
