• Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
    521·
    5 days ago

    But in condemning violence it would be an act of irresponsibility not to be as strong in condemning the conditions in our society that cause people to feel so angry that they have no alternative but to engage in riots. What we must see is that a riot is the language of the unheard.

    What is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last 10 or 12 years. It’s failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. It has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity.

    • MLK Jr
  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
    17·
    4 days ago

    Peaceful protest or “sitting it out” is when you have hope to last longer than the current crisis.

    The current crisis, at least in the US, is not going to vanish that quickly. The real crisis is the dropping wages, and that’s not gonna revert much. Socialism or barbarism!

    • derpgon@programming.dev
      8·
      4 days ago

      The moment the inconvenience of jail or ending up dying during an insurrection is better than the actual situation, shit is gonna spiral. People will riot violently, government is gonna fuck with the lives of folks who didn’t, more will join, more will get fucked, and repeat until Donnie is no more.

      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
        1·
        3 days ago

        The moment the inconvenience of jail or ending up dying during an insurrection is better than the actual situation, shit is gonna spiral.

        That is a sentiment that i kinda hear many people say these days …

  • anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    571·
    5 days ago

    I hate being that cringe guy in the comments posting FD quotes, but this one is such a banger

    Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    986·
    6 days ago

    I was so, so very close to directly calling jordanlund a shitlib after it was almost certainly him who mod deleted my comment, in my own thread, in .world, stating that, speaking from a historical standpoint, the only thing that stops fascists is bullets in their brains.

    He of course interpreted that as ‘advocating violence’, because … he is a shitlib.

    But instead, I composed myself and wrote a more eloquent explanation as to why my comment had been deleted… and, so far, at least that response hasn’t been deleted.

    Why not post to power tripping bastards?

    Because we already know the .world mod/admin team is a bunch of shit lib collaborators from how they acted when Luigi was framed for shooting some asshole who murdered tens of thousands of people by overseeing the denial of their healthcare.

    Sorry to rant but goddamnit am I on the exact same wavelength as this post right now.

    Jordan, if you read this, go fuck yourself and keep telling yourself Warren was a better choice than Bernie, you slimy rat fuck.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      581·
      6 days ago

      Jordan probably is reading this, he loves scanning comments for people talking about him and then whining about it. Same for a few other common .world users.

      But man, Jordan literally banned one of my favorite users from a community because they caught Jodan lying about his poitions and documenting the fact the Dems actively did not care about the lives of brown people home and abroad and queer folk.

      .world is a shitlib encampment.

    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      251·
      5 days ago

      saying the only thing that stops fascists is bullets in their brains

      So, first off, banning this as violence suggests stopping fascists is generally desirable; a position i don’t think he shares.

      Second: that’s blatantly untrue. They’re not, like, werewolves. Putting aside how that whole myth is an allegory for the abuse cycle and they kind of are. There’s lots of places shooting them would work, depending on the bullet and availability of medical care. Plus, things other than bullets that worked. There’s ectensive research by zukov et al suggesting it can be done with an artillery shell, and anecdotes from research in the pacific islands backing the ‘sharp stick’ hypothesis.

      So maybe you’re the real fascist.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        111·
        5 days ago

        I hereby repent before the supreme council of enlightened liberals for unintentionally using language which could possibly be interpreted as invoking an allegory which could possibly be interpreted as me advocating for, or suggesting the use, or evoking imagery of violence against furries, who are valid members of society that have for too long been unjustly forced out of public life.

        I thus willingly submit myself to be bound inside the no holds barred yiff pit for a duration not exceeding 24 hrs, whereby my latent fascist tendencies will be expunged from me, and I shall emerge, born again, as a more tolerant member of society.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        5 days ago

        Here in my car,

        I feel safest of all,

        I can lock all my doors,

        It’s the only way to live!

        In cars.

        I wonder how many times he’s commuted through Portland, via a road or highway that was built by eviscerating the historcal neighborhood of all the Black Portlanders he’s never met, who don’t live there any more, for some weird reason.

    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
      12·
      5 days ago

      I used to defend JordanLund when people called him a Zionist

      After his recent actions banning anti-zionist voices on WorldNews, banning Independent media that reports on the genocide, and banning pro-palestinian emancipatory slogans, it’s overwhelmingly obvious he is at the very least a Zionist Sympathizer

      He’s also terribly reactionary on many social issues

  • VasovagalSyncope@lemmy.world
    7·
    4 days ago

    The only police reform we have seen in 15 years has been as the result of BLM violent protests.

    Violent protest got you every single right you have.

    It’s historically the only way slaves and the poor have ever improved their lives.

    Shut the fuck up

  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
    40·
    5 days ago

    well fucking said.

    i never thought it would be so hard for libs to understand you can’t vote fascism away. i never thought they would be rolling over to fascism so quickly.

    what the fuck makes them not collaborators of this regime if they want to stop any sort of actual resistance.

    • Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
      15·
      5 days ago

      The lib politicians did not roll over to facism, they rolled over for money … for loosely regulated and barely looked at Super PAC donations and withdrawals. They rolled over for legalized corruption. Fascism is just the gift wrap that they had to take those presents in.

      This lady is kind of right. We are not likely to vote our way out of this.

        • Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
          4·
          5 days ago

          That’s the point. It could have been anything the politicians and news media cooked up. They could have created a crazed religious movement, a hate filled campaign against another country, they could attack another religion … except MAGA went “fuck it” and checked “All of the Above”.

          It’s not about the message. Tyranny does not thrive in peace. It is about directing the weak willed portion of the population that they have complete control over.

      • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
        6·
        5 days ago

        Idk, they seem okay with it as long as they’re the ones in control.

        Just look at their responses to the election it’s not that we ran an unpopular candidate and gop lite policies it’s because we didn’t go far enough to the right!

        • Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          5 days ago

          Agreed. I wonder if the Dem/Rep political parties are about to flip and trade conservative/liberal policies again.

            • grue@lemmy.world
              1·
              4 days ago

              That’s not how the American political system works. Parties have changed ideology or collapsed and been replaced with new ones, but there’s always only two major parties.

            • Wilco@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              5 days ago

              I dont think they would do that, it would be harder to trade wins.

      • Maeve@kbin.earth
        2·
        5 days ago

        The lib politicians did not roll over to facism, they rolled over for money

        Isn’t that fascism?

    • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
      7·
      5 days ago

      Their “plan” is just push back juuust enough to make you calm down and then they’ll help entrench Nazism further.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        4 days ago

        Neolibs are already super eager to work with the nazi elon. They want to follow him to the right like they did with netanyahu and manchin and lieberman.

    • Maeve@kbin.earth
      2·
      5 days ago

      We can’t help it, we need more theory according to one post, but critical reading and critical thinking are hard, especially when even secondary school reading comprehension has abysmal standards. I read better than most I know and struggle with it.

      • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
        5·
        5 days ago

        theory can be packaged in an intuitive way for the masses.

        thats literally the job of far right think tanks and leftist organizations alike. “you make a dime so boss can make a dollar” ain’t rocket science either, its just that the fascists are currently winning.

  • fodor@lemmy.zip
    14·
    5 days ago

    Well yeah. It’s possible for peaceful protests to work, but let’s look at history. In reality, the pigs are going to get violent regardless of what anyone does, the national guard will be called out and they’re going to use tear gas because their bosses want them to, and despite the fear of injury or death, large groups of people will keep working to make things better.

    This is guaranteed to occur. For good or bad, whatever, it will happen. So let’s stop worrying about certain outcomes and move our focus to the uncertain things.

  • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
    13·
    5 days ago

    Absolutely right. Even Gavin Newsome is doing nothing but threatening to file a lawsuit. Buncha goddamn pussies. There is only ONE way to deal with Nazis and it isnt bEiNg pEaCeFuL

      • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
        7·
        5 days ago

        It is absolutely right to use direct action against the Nazis and stop trying to walk on eggshells to keep them from acting like Nazis. Nazis are gonna Nazi; you cannot appease them by being pacifists. The entire shitlib argument is fucking bullshit and is what gave us the fucking Nazis in the first place.

  • Arkhive (they/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    181·
    5 days ago

    I had this exact convo with a friend recently. Peaceful protest can work against a government with a conscious conscience. The US gov’t has consistently shown to not have a conscious conscience. My local organizers don’t really seem to get this, which just means they, and many of the general citizens they direct, will be underprepared for the conflict that will almost inevitably arise.