• 10A@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I understand that some citizens of various other countries see themselves as part of an interconnected global world, where countries are fungible. And to be fair, a few Americans think that too. But in reality the US is far removed from all other countries, and we’re blessed with being the greatest country possible, so a foreign perspective really doesn’t impact us at all.

    So you’re right to say I’m uninformed — indeed we all are, somewhat, depending on the holes in our areas of focus — but you’re wrong to say my conclusions are not based on facts. Because my conclusions are entirely factual within the context of the US.

    If I’m incorrect outside of that context, well okay, I’ll take your word on that. But so? It just seems like such an irrelevant point to make.

    • czech@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      and we’re blessed with being the greatest country possible

      By what metric? Name one metric that US is number one in other than defense spending.

      you’re wrong to say my conclusions are not based on facts

      You cannot back up a single thing you say; all you offer are personal anecdotes. I guess your point would be that you’re not informed enough to know the difference? That doesn’t make you correct it makes you ignorant. And that’s fine, not everyone can be informed, just don’t pretend that you are.

      I’m cracking up that you’re now downvoting my comments after writing:

      I enjoy mutually respectful debate, but I find most others prefer to fearfully call me a “fascist,” downvote everything I’ve ever written, block me, and walk away feeling sanctimonious.

      Feeling sanctimonious, yet?

      Please continue dazzling me with you personal anecdotes from the butt-crack of America.

      • 10A@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        Ha, it’s not fascist to click downvote. You wrote something I believed to be false, so I downvoted. If it really hurts your feelings I can take it back. I do enjoy mutually respectful debate. I don’t think a downvote is all that disrespectful, and I also don’t think we’re having much of a debate. (What’s the topic exactly?)

        By what metric?

        By a ton of metrics, but a few that come to mind off the top of my head:

        • We’re predominantly Christian, and that’s not an official religion like in some other countries, but actual self-reported religious affiliation.
        • People flock here from all over the world for our freedom, and always have since our inception.
        • Our Constitution was the first to establish that God-given rights are the basis for a free people’s self-governance, and that constitution has been imitated worldwide, though never paralleled.
        • Our culture of self-defense makes us impossible to invade, because most people are armed and more than ready to take down attackers.
        • We invented almost every useful technology that has been invented since our inception, including this here internet and the electrical generators that power it.
        • We invented country music. 'Nuff said.
        • czech@kbin.social
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          1 year ago

          You didn’t list a single thing America is #1 in. Is there a single thing other than defense spending?

          All of your “metrics” are either not true or not metrics. That is amazing.

          • 10A@kbin.social
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            1 year ago

            This interaction is done. You’re obviously not a fan of the US, and if you don’t live here anyway then you have every right not to be. It’s no skin off my back. I wish you all the best. See ya around.

            • czech@kbin.social
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              1 year ago

              I’m just asking for facts not biased nationalism. I’m not sure what I expected.

              • 10A@kbin.social
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                1 year ago

                Here’s the thing: I’m tired and headed to sleep. This has been a long and meandering conversation full of disagreements, with no real point. It’s a bit exhausting. You’re asking me about a topic that has been written about extensively in multiple books and articles. You can look up “American Exceptionalism” if you really want researched facts with academic citations. I was just giving you my honest thoughts, as a rather sleepy individual. I’m sorry those thoughts weren’t up to snuff for you.

                • czech@kbin.social
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                  1 year ago

                  My point was that America is not number one in anything. It doesn’t mean it’s a bad place to live it’s just delusional to think it’s the “greatest” by any measurable metric. Research “nationalism” if you need more information.

                  • 10A@kbin.social
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                    1 year ago

                    I know what nationalism is, thank you. I also know what American Exceptionalism is, and it’s a well established doctrine, well rooted in fact. I might have failed to explain it well, or maybe you just didn’t want to question your preconceived beliefs. Either way, American Exceptionalism is the real deal, and no amount of bickering over it could change my mind. Thank you, though, for sharing your perspective with me.