The problem with this sentiment is that you misrepresent the points of contention. This is not a disagreement over people’s preferred pizza toppings, where parties can safely “agree to disagree.” We are talking about positions that pose a clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist. Do you really think this hasn’t been discussed? Do you genuinely think this hasn’t been talked about, debated, argued, demonstrated, illustrated, and experienced ad infinitum for literal decades?
The reason you are being downvoted (and justly so) is that your argument in this case is literally a form of victim-blaming. People being actively harmed, abused, and oppressed are under no obligated whatsoever to try and meet their aggressors in the middle or to concede any part of their existence to them. This disease was festering long before the internet existed. “Echo chambers” have nothing to do with it. It a matter of good versus evil, right versus wrong, liberty versus death. Neither the oppressed mor their defenders will lie down and die because you are inconvenienced by conflict they never wanted.
Deporting the most vulnerable members of society to forever prison in El Salvador, then telling the president of that country (on camera) that he needs to build four or five more forever prisons so Trump can start sending the “homegrowns”.
No, it was notably never proven. There’s been no opportunity for anyone to review ICE’s evidence. That’s a big part of why everybody’s riled up about it.
The problem with this sentiment is that you misrepresent the points of contention. This is not a disagreement over people’s preferred pizza toppings, where parties can safely “agree to disagree.” We are talking about positions that pose a clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist. Do you really think this hasn’t been discussed? Do you genuinely think this hasn’t been talked about, debated, argued, demonstrated, illustrated, and experienced ad infinitum for literal decades?
The reason you are being downvoted (and justly so) is that your argument in this case is literally a form of victim-blaming. People being actively harmed, abused, and oppressed are under no obligated whatsoever to try and meet their aggressors in the middle or to concede any part of their existence to them. This disease was festering long before the internet existed. “Echo chambers” have nothing to do with it. It a matter of good versus evil, right versus wrong, liberty versus death. Neither the oppressed mor their defenders will lie down and die because you are inconvenienced by conflict they never wanted.
Example 2 of why Trump is in power, and how you guys still don’t get it.
Are you suggesting that Trump does not take such positions?
Which positions that Trump takes are a “clear, real, immediate existential threat to entire groups of people, simply because they exist”?
Deporting the most vulnerable members of society to forever prison in El Salvador, then telling the president of that country (on camera) that he needs to build four or five more forever prisons so Trump can start sending the “homegrowns”.
Illegal immigrant gang members? What?
Have you seen any evidence of illegal immigrant gang members?
…are they in the room with us now?
Yes. The only people who have been sent to El Salvador were illegal immigrants with proven gang affiliation.
No, it was notably never proven. There’s been no opportunity for anyone to review ICE’s evidence. That’s a big part of why everybody’s riled up about it.
That claim is untested in court meaning that they are innocent until proven guilty no matter what their immigration status is.
It’s been tested in court plenty of times. Garcia for example was determined by 2 separate courts/judges to be MS-13.
Which ones?