• Seagoon_@aussie.zone
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    2 days ago

    my fam was in the resistance in wwii

    they attacked railways stations, police stations, military bases, sabotaged military operations. Their targets were the authority who were the occupiers

    they didn’t attack a village and burn children to death

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      they didn’t attack a village and burn children to death

      Well Israel isn’t the resistance, Israel is the invader. So of course they’re going to attack villages and burn children to death.

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        I don’t think children were burned to death. That was a false claim by some old Israeli guy which was debunked.

        However your approval of burning children is disturbing.

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            20 hours ago

            I said no children were burned by Hamas on October 7. Seegoon was talking about Oct 7.

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              You’re right, some of us do.

              Gaza had peace before Oct 7, although heavily policed border control because of suicide bombers coming out and rocket parts going in.

              But it’s very clearly not your Zio biased arse.

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                Why don’t you name disruptions of peace pre Oct 7 instead of calling me names?

                Zionism is the belief that Jews should have a self governing state in the Levant. Not all Zionists are expansionist.

                Where would you expect Jews to go?

                Jews aren’t going anywhere, neither are Palestinians. That is our starting point. Wishing it was otherwise is pointless.

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                  They can go the same place they went after Rhodesia was destroyed; Stay in the new more fair and equal country or leave.

                  Only racists promote ethno-states, there is no need for a state for every ethnicity.

                  Israel is not Jewish people, I fail to see how Israel no longer existing affects the living conditions of a Jew in Melbourne, but that truth hurts your antisemitic attempt to link all Jewish people to the war crimes committed by Israel.

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                    Anti Semitism can arise again. Conspiracy theorists have been scapegoating Jews for centuries.

                    Only racists promote ethno-states, there is no need for a state for every ethnicity.

                    I fail to see how Israel no longer existing affects the living conditions of a Jew in Melbourne

                    There are literally Nazis in Melbourne. That is why there was a law made a couple of years ago to prevent Nazi salutes. It is contained for now but it is not guaranteed as safe in the future. Jews in Melbourne would gladly use Israel as sanctuary if their life depended on it.

                    But all of this is purely academic. Jews are not leaving Israel whether you think they should or not. And Palestinians are not leaving Gaza whether Trump thinks they should or not.

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      So firstly the invasion of France (assuming you mean French capital R resistance? not like the Warsaw uprising or whatever?) was not a program where the French nationals were split into disconnected areas while German nationals took their land. That sort of displacement was basically only done by German military and government in order to set up their occupation infrastructure.

      Secondly the occupation of France was quite short, and during an active was so comparing the circumstances directly is a bit misleading. What did early Palestinian resistance look like?

      Thirdly, and I think this is quite key, the French resistance did a shitload of absolutely horrifying stuff and discussions of the right to resist usually point this out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_resist

      The unfortunate reality is that resistance is ugly and chaotic, that the moral responsibility lies with oppressors to not oppress, and not turn their citizens into targets by involving them in oppression and carrying out acts in their name, and it is the responsibility of citizens to avoid claiming fruits of such programs such as land and resources.